Hamas don’t want peace

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A two day ceasefire was offered to them in return for four hostages but they declined. Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, said Hamas “once again refused to release even a limited number of hostages to secure a ceasefire and relief for the people of Gaza”.
Isreal has now offered a million dollars for each hostage and safe passage out of Gaza for their captors. Hamas have yet to respond.

Too true

Not sure why you think you are above everyone else posting here. Thankfully some of us understand the serious nature of the topics being discussed and don't feel the need to resort to petty patronising insults when we've run out of things to say.

@herecomesautumn yeah lol.

Ranting? Bored?

Ah it's a shame you see the conflict as something that's going to bring you some sort of entertainment. Appreciate the freedom you have to drop in and out whenever you want, I'm sure the people of Palestine have wanted the same freedom from the bombs dropping on their heads for over 70 years.

You have ZERO reliable proof of your statement. Stop aggrandizing and spreading false information. One baby that dies due to terrorism is too much. Stop the terrorists from being IN Palestine, Lebanon, Iran, ANYWHERE.

Thanks 👍

Well, if they do not separate themselves from terrorist organizations, fight to stop Hamas from ruling them, controlling them, likely the bombs will never stop. And this mess has been going on much LONGER than 70 years.

You really need to read more

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo.amp

They were not "petty patroni(z)ing insults".

Only you can make yourself feel inferior to anyone.

Don't speak for everyone else because not everyone else thinks like you do.

Well, if they do not separate themselves from terrorist organizations, fight to stop Hamas from ruling them, controlling them, likely the bombs will never stop.
How do you suggest they go about that @Sheri99?

@Sheri99 What about before Hamas existed? Gazans were still being killed, expelled and having their land and property illegal stolen from them? What about the in the West Bank where Hamas doesn’t operate?

In them last 70 years that you've mentioned, Hamas is relatively new so can you explain why Palestinians were being oppressed by Israel prior to Hamas?

Israel is not "bombing the - out of them". Palestinians are collateral damage due to Hamas' refusal to use rules of engagement one of which means: "Do not HIDE behind civilian populations". Look at facts not emotional propaganda. Hamas and the likes, use not just Palestinians but also emotion filled sympathetic people, such as yourself, as a means to create emotion thereby furthering their jihadist cause.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo

Perhaps if one baby dying from terrorism is too much, analyses like this should raise some concerns about the appropriateness and 'necessity' of what the IDF and Israeli government are doing.

These children are being killed by choices made by the IDF and Israeli government. People have free will and agency. Alternative approaches exist, but this is what is being chosen.

Do these children matter less because of their ethnicity? Should we not condemn all such suffering, regardless of a child's bloodline or passport or family faith?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/14/israeli-forces-in-gaza-use-civilians-as-human-shields-against-possible-booby-traps

I'm not sure what your definition of 'bombing the sh*t out of" a population might be.

Near the start of the bombardment campaign, Israeli forces dropped more bombs on Gaza in a week than the US dropped on Afghanistan in a year.

This summer, the amount of bombing of Gaza (which is about the same size as Philadelphia - 141 square miles) surpassed the bombing of London, Dresden and Hamburg combined during WW2 bombing campaigns.

Gaza is now a different colour from space.

I think "bombing the sh*t out of it" is actually pretty much what's happening.

What is with the word "oppressed". Throughout history tribes with long standing opposing ideology have warred back and forth. It isn't oppressed it is competition for land, resources, ideological meaning, religious meaning.

EVEN within PALESTINE there is infighting between those who want a more hardline religious (think Hamas/Hezbolla, Jihadist) Palestinian State and those who want a more secular, democratic state!

It isn't as SIMPLE as Israel "oppressing" and to simply put the ENTIRE issue as "Israel's" fault or that Israel is oppressing others is just showing one's ignorance.

ANYTIME you have a more advanced, less religious based (more secular than religious based government), one that is more democratic, can keep their people out of poverty due to ingenuity, THAT country will dominate.

Survival of the fittest if you will. And the fittest - those highly developed countries have the ability to influence BECAUSE they can maintain an economy and have sophisticated diplomacy.

No, it may not be "fair" but life is not ever going to be "fair" and survival depends on being the strongest, and then sharing the strength.

This is why the United States, GB, Germany, Japan, Austrailia, are where refugees flock. But in doing that, refugees need to leave their religious fights at the immigration office and accept national secularism.

ANYTIME you have a more advanced, less religious based (more secular than religious based government), one that is more democratic, can keep their people out of poverty due to ingenuity, THAT country will dominate.

Careful your racism is showing. Are you suggesting that the oppressed are less advanced than the oppressor?

There is so much wrong with your post I don't know where to start. You are obviously assuming all things are equal and the oppressed are just not as clever or advanced as their oppressor. Good to know.

As someone from a nation that was oppressed and colonised it is pretty offensive to think in 2024 you are reverting back to the opinions of the 18th/ 19th century

Well thank you for that enlightening contribution and here was me thinking everyone else felt and thought like me. Knock me over with a feather

Wait so you think illegal settlors (who are prospected by Israel) are not oppressing the Palestinians? You think Israel withholding water, food and power from Gazans is not oppression?

I can’t actually believe what I’m reading - are you blaming the Palestinians for them being killed!?

You are mentioning things like you’re forgetting that Israel was created on this idea that’s it’s the religious homeland of Jewish people, it didn’t have anything to do with people wanting to be ‘secular’. The establishment of Israel itself caused death to thousands of Palestinians whilst expelling many more- this is not oppression to you?

Israel and Palestine do not have the same resources.. The US is the biggest financial supporter of Israel.. Gaza on the other hand isn’t able to get any support unless Israel allows them to. So yes, I’ll say it again, Palestinians have been oppressed by Israel since its founding.

You’re so wrong for suggesting that the Palestinians are to blame for their own destruction.

Lol, I say they are stopping the spread of tyranny (or Hitler Nazism) into other countries. You say they were stopping German expansionism. Yet I’m the one who needs a history lesson🤦‍♀️. Largely they same thing, except I accurately also included the ideology and associated atrocities that went with the German expansionism that most stood against.

No that is not what I am asking. It’s what you want the question to be. I am asking do you believe that the Jewish people have a right to their homeland? And do you believe that, like any other country they have a right to defend their homeland if an enemy comes into its homeland and commits acts of mass murder, torture and rape then kidnaps some citizens

Not sure what was posted that was against the guidelines as it was deleted by the time I finished work, but from your post it seems to have been about me. You seem to be agreeing with the deleted post. I’m trying to understand what you are getting at, you seem to be insinuating that there’s some sort of what, a conspiracy? Maybe lots of people disagree with you? Maybe the world isn’t an echo chamber. Or are you saying I’m one of the previous posters with a name change? Well you can see I haven’t changed names for a while!

Interesting “ grasping at straws” tactic though

@Feelingathomenow I would love to tell you what I posted but obviously I'm not allowed to. Posters can only use one name per thread though so it obviously was nothing like that.

Generally speaking, international law provides the framework and limits for how countries can exercise that right to self-defence.

What's happening in Palestine and Lebanon doesn't really fit within that framework and those limits.

Vengeance is not the same as justice. Genocidal actions, war crimes and human rights abuses are not the same as self-defence.