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Conflict in the Middle East

UN peacekeepers injured by Israel

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EasterIssland · 10/10/2024 13:04

After all the news this week regarding IDF threatening peacekeepers in Lebanon this is news now.

from bbc

Two UN peacekeepers injured after Israeli tank fires at watchtowerpublished at 12:50 British Summer Time
12:50 BSTBREAKING
Two UN peacekeepers have been injured after an Israeli tank fired towards a watchtower at a UN base in southern Lebanon, the UN says.
According to a statement by the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), the observation tower at its headquarters in Naqoura was directly hit, causing the peacekeepers to fall.
"The injuries are fortunately, this time, not serious, but they remain in hospital," the UN says.
It adds that Israeli soldiers also fired at a UN base in Ras Naqoura, "hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering, and damaging vehicles and a communications system".
There's more in their statement which we'll bring you shortly.
UNIFIL is a UN peacekeeping mission created in 1978. It monitors hostilities and helps to ensure humanitarian access to civilians.

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Lettherebejustice · 11/10/2024 10:27

Ridiculous! This thread wouldn't be here if the IDF didn't go rogue and start shooting peacekeepers.

Dulra · 11/10/2024 10:27

PurpleChrayn · 11/10/2024 10:23

Precisely.

Yet another thread demonising Israel.

Yet another thread discussing what is happening in the middle east. Why get angry with posters here for having an opinion, get angry with the current out of control Israeli government I would be hopping mad if my government were doing this and first to criticise them

TrishM80 · 11/10/2024 10:50

The "only liberal democracy" in the Middle East is now attacking UN peacekeepers. They really are a law unto themselves. Is there no one that can rein in these psychopaths?

Scirocco · 11/10/2024 11:00

PurpleChrayn · 11/10/2024 10:23

Precisely.

Yet another thread demonising Israel.

Would you prefer people gave out trophies and boxes of chocolates to military forces that are intentionally attacking UN peacekeepers?

Is there actually anything the IDF could do that would give you cause to say "actually, that's kind of not ok?"

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 11:18

I’ve read that those injured today were from the SLanka battalion

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Dulra · 11/10/2024 11:23

The Israeli government need to remember that, although there is a collective name UNIFIL, each battalion represents a different nation who are not going to be too impressed if their soldiers are being put at risk

DadJoke · 11/10/2024 11:42

Despite attempts to paint UNFIL as liars, this is clearly nonsense, the IDF need to get rid of them.

The IDF are deliberately targetting UNFIL - a breach of international law - so that they leave, and then the IDF can commit their war crimes with impunity, and suggest anyone reporting them then is a terrorist agent.

They also know that the US and other Western allies will impose no consequences whatsoever for their actions.

Lettherebejustice · 11/10/2024 11:52

DadJoke · 11/10/2024 11:42

Despite attempts to paint UNFIL as liars, this is clearly nonsense, the IDF need to get rid of them.

The IDF are deliberately targetting UNFIL - a breach of international law - so that they leave, and then the IDF can commit their war crimes with impunity, and suggest anyone reporting them then is a terrorist agent.

They also know that the US and other Western allies will impose no consequences whatsoever for their actions.

You are right.
Spain has now joined France in calling for halting arms to Israel. We must hold our government responsible in their complicity in Israeli war crimes.

Fevertreelover · 11/10/2024 12:00

PurpleChrayn · 11/10/2024 10:23

Precisely.

Yet another thread demonising Israel.

Are you serious with that comment? Israel deliberately attack UN forces and you say people are demonising them? The level of delusion of some Israeli apologists is unreal. Take a step back and look objectively at what is happening.

ScrollingLeaves · 11/10/2024 12:03

I was not quite sure of their role so looked it up:

UNIFIL FACT SHEET
UNITED NATIONS INTERIM FORCE IN LEBANON

Location:
Lebanon

Headquarters:
Naqoura

Established: March 1978
Local time:
11 October 2024 - 13:06 EEST
Monitoring cessation of hostilities and helping ensure humanitarian access to civilian population
Originally, UNIFIL was created by the Security Council in March 1978 to confirm Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, restore international peace and security and assist the Lebanese Government in restoring its effective authority in the area. The mandate had to be adjusted twice, due to the developments in 1982 and 2000.

Following the July/August 2006 crisis, the Council enhanced the Force and decided that in addition to the original mandate, it would, among other things, monitor the cessation of hostilities; accompany and support the Lebanese armed forces as they deploy throughout the south of Lebanon; and extend its assistance to help ensure humanitarian access to civilian populations and the voluntary and safe return of displaced persons.
peacekeeping.un.org/en/mission/unifil

UNIFIL Mandate

According to Security Council resolutions 425 (1978) and 426 (1978) of 19 March 1978, UNIFIL was established to: Confirm the withdrawal of Israeli forces from southern Lebanon. Restore international peace and security. Assist the Government of Lebanon...

https://unifil.unmissions.org/unifil-mandate

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 12:11

Lettherebejustice · 11/10/2024 11:52

You are right.
Spain has now joined France in calling for halting arms to Israel. We must hold our government responsible in their complicity in Israeli war crimes.

oh if only they weren’t so hypocrites and they kept selling arms to Israel despite they announced they were stopping ….

ps a very disappointed Spanish who is not surprised about the double face from the Spanish government.

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Liv999 · 11/10/2024 12:28

TrishM80 · 11/10/2024 10:50

The "only liberal democracy" in the Middle East is now attacking UN peacekeepers. They really are a law unto themselves. Is there no one that can rein in these psychopaths?

It seems not, they seem to have completely lost the run of themselves, it's scary to think what they might do next

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 12:30

There's no muddying of the waters where UNRWA is concerned. One of their employees was a top Hamas commander

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-hamas-commander-killed-in-lebanon-was-unrwa-employee-placed-on-administrative-leave/ar-AA1ru27d

And nine UNRWA employees have been fired as they were implicated in the October 7th massacre.

Hasn't stopped UNRWA from being nominated for a Nobel Peace prize though 🙄

Liv999 · 11/10/2024 12:31

PurpleChrayn · 11/10/2024 10:23

Precisely.

Yet another thread demonising Israel.

If Israel upheld International Law nobody would be demonising them

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 12:33

Like Hamas is demonised for breaking international law? Where's the condemnation for using civilian buildings as military bases and hiding behind civilians?

mouthpipette · 11/10/2024 12:34

On the shelling of a UNIFIL site.
The following is from Euronews.
"The UNIFIL headquarters and two Italian bases were struck "repeatedly" and "deliberately" by the Israeli army on Thursday morning."
Crosetto ( Italy's defence minister) also specified that there were no injuries amongst the Italian peacekeepers, but that what happened in Lebanon was "totally unacceptable."
He went on to say that "There is no justification for saying that the Israeli armed forced had warned UNIFIL that some of the bases had to be left."

From that, I surmise the story is this.
1 - Israel asks for the bases to be vacated.
2 - Unifil say "No, thank you"
3- Israel says "Go or we fire."
4 - Unifil say "No"
5 - Israel fires a couple of warning shots to show they are being serious.
6 - ?
Anyone want to have a go at predicting 6, 7,and 8 ?

I guess that Israel wants certain observation posts and bases vacated because they lie on or near the IDF's route into Lebanon. If they allow them to remain occupied, the Israelis are worried that either what they are doing will come under scrutiny by UNIFIL or that Hezbollah will park themselves near to the UNIFIL sites and use these as defensive positions.** Were the latter to happen it would be harder to pick off Hezbollah without causing UNIFIL injuries. Israel would prefer to carry on its operation without causing large scale damage to UNIFIL because that would garner even more opprobrium from the rest of the world. I guess that getting UNIFIL to move out of certain locations is just one of their tactics in their pursuit of Hezbollah through southern Lebanon.

** Perhaps someone on here who knows more about military tactics and the terrain around the UNIFIL sites could comment as to whether or not it would be feasible and advantageous for Hezbollah to take up positions close to the bases.

Liv999 · 11/10/2024 12:37

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 12:33

Like Hamas is demonised for breaking international law? Where's the condemnation for using civilian buildings as military bases and hiding behind civilians?

Hams is not a 'democratic civilised country' they're a bunch of terrorists, nobody expects them to uphold anything, Israel is now heading in the same direction

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 12:38

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 12:30

There's no muddying of the waters where UNRWA is concerned. One of their employees was a top Hamas commander

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-hamas-commander-killed-in-lebanon-was-unrwa-employee-placed-on-administrative-leave/ar-AA1ru27d

And nine UNRWA employees have been fired as they were implicated in the October 7th massacre.

Hasn't stopped UNRWA from being nominated for a Nobel Peace prize though 🙄

Didn’t take long for the they’re terrorists card to be used.

@PollyPaintsFlowers this is not about urnwa.

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SunnyZebra · 11/10/2024 12:51

Yet another Israel-bashing thread. You people need new hobbies.

Personally, I don’t know what UNFIL are doing, for a ‘peacekeeping’ force, allowing a terrorist organisation to take over seems like a huge failure.

The UN really does seem to be a massive part of the problem in ME. There’s so much evidence now that UNRWA was employing Hamas terrorists.

Dulra · 11/10/2024 12:55

PollyPaintsFlowers · 11/10/2024 12:33

Like Hamas is demonised for breaking international law? Where's the condemnation for using civilian buildings as military bases and hiding behind civilians?

Up to you if you want the Isreali government to be equated with terrorists. I'd have thought the comparison would not go down well with Israelis

SunnyZebra · 11/10/2024 12:57

EasterIssland · 11/10/2024 12:38

Didn’t take long for the they’re terrorists card to be used.

@PollyPaintsFlowers this is not about urnwa.

But it illustrates a pattern of the UN being part of the problem.

and why does it bother you so much when people point out that UNRWA employed terrorists?!?!

Dulra · 11/10/2024 12:58

SunnyZebra · 11/10/2024 12:51

Yet another Israel-bashing thread. You people need new hobbies.

Personally, I don’t know what UNFIL are doing, for a ‘peacekeeping’ force, allowing a terrorist organisation to take over seems like a huge failure.

The UN really does seem to be a massive part of the problem in ME. There’s so much evidence now that UNRWA was employing Hamas terrorists.

Yet another Israel-bashing thread. You people need new hobbies.
Yeah because this is a hobby, how patronising, talk about minimising. What do you want people to do? Look the other way?

The UN really does seem to be a massive part of the problem in ME.
According to who?

There’s so much evidence now that UNRWA was employing Hamas terrorists.
Is there?

Lettherebejustice · 11/10/2024 12:59

@Sunnyzebra why does it bother you so much when people point out Israeli war crimes? Where is your condemnation that Israel have deliberately shot at peacekeepers? Does it not bother you that they are acting like a rogue military?

Dulra · 11/10/2024 13:01

SunnyZebra · 11/10/2024 12:57

But it illustrates a pattern of the UN being part of the problem.

and why does it bother you so much when people point out that UNRWA employed terrorists?!?!

and why does it bother you so much when people point out that UNRWA employed terrorists?!?!
UNWRA employed people that were subsequently identified to be terrorists than dismissed them. You make it sound like they knowingly employed terrorists. UNWRA is a massive organisation. No employer is immune from unintentionally employing the wrong sort of people. Israel also gets a list of every UNWRA employee so they missed it too.

Scirocco · 11/10/2024 13:03

SunnyZebra · 11/10/2024 12:51

Yet another Israel-bashing thread. You people need new hobbies.

Personally, I don’t know what UNFIL are doing, for a ‘peacekeeping’ force, allowing a terrorist organisation to take over seems like a huge failure.

The UN really does seem to be a massive part of the problem in ME. There’s so much evidence now that UNRWA was employing Hamas terrorists.

Perhaps new hobbies should be offered to the people and organisations currently attacking peacekeepers in Lebanon. If they could find something more constructive to do with their time, then it would solve a lot of problems.

Is there anything that the IDF could do that would be unacceptable or deserving of a degree of criticism, in your opinion?

I expected most people would consider deliberately attacking UN peacekeepers to be a bit of an issue, but it seems like there's a not insignificant number of people on here trying to find a way to excuse it.

And, again, it is not the role of peacekeepers to fight or subdue Hezbollah. And, again, even if it were, that's not grounds to shoot at people.