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Conflict in the Middle East

UN peacekeepers injured by Israel

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EasterIssland · 10/10/2024 13:04

After all the news this week regarding IDF threatening peacekeepers in Lebanon this is news now.

from bbc

Two UN peacekeepers injured after Israeli tank fires at watchtowerpublished at 12:50 British Summer Time
12:50 BSTBREAKING
Two UN peacekeepers have been injured after an Israeli tank fired towards a watchtower at a UN base in southern Lebanon, the UN says.
According to a statement by the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), the observation tower at its headquarters in Naqoura was directly hit, causing the peacekeepers to fall.
"The injuries are fortunately, this time, not serious, but they remain in hospital," the UN says.
It adds that Israeli soldiers also fired at a UN base in Ras Naqoura, "hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering, and damaging vehicles and a communications system".
There's more in their statement which we'll bring you shortly.
UNIFIL is a UN peacekeeping mission created in 1978. It monitors hostilities and helps to ensure humanitarian access to civilians.

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Scirocco · 16/10/2024 07:31

@israelilefty unfortunately a lot of people, on here, on other social media sites, in the UK media and in public here, do still firmly dispute the health ministry casualty figures, dismissing them as exaggerations and lies. They also tell us that the footage of what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank is faked, calling it "Pallywood". They tell us that our loved ones aren't dead, that our loved ones haven't experienced life-changing injuries. And if they do grudgingly accept that someone we knew died, they tell us they were probably Hamas anyway.

israelilefty · 16/10/2024 07:56

@Scirocco About those people (and they exist in great numbers on the internet on both sides) - I want to cite a wise post I happened to see on Twitter yesterday by Haviv Rettig Gur (havivrettiggur). Quoted here in full. I have to say, it really clarified for me something I have felt for a long time, which is that while I have all the time in the world for meaningful conversations with people who are willing to take the time to engage with reasonable sources and to acknowledge that there is complexity behind the news - I no longer have time to listen to or argue with people who are basically there to get an emotional kick out of righteous anger, especially when they live thousands of miles away from the actual conflict, speak neither language and are not willing to distinguish between reliable sources and propaganda. I know that the knee jerk reaction is to respond and call out - but it's ultimately just feeding and enabling trolls.

Here's the tweet:

This Yom Kippur was a very useful one for me. I thought a lot about the past year and reached some decisions that were meaningful for me. Some were big, some small. Two small ones of relevance to Twitter:

  1. I’m going to converse a bit less with the big wide world and more with Jews and Palestinians. What they think matters infinitely more to my children’s future than the moral entertainment the world uses us for. I’m tired of investing time and thought in outsiders’ feelings about my existence.
  1. If you tweet at me that you “ain’t reading all that,” you’ll get blocked. If you tweet at me crazy antisemitism, you’ll get blocked. If I write about religion and you respond with abuse surrounding the war, you’ll get blocked. It’s already begun, and my Twitter feed is already more interesting and useful for it. If you don’t want to read me, if you don’t think I can teach you or learn from you, if you can’t speak on topic so you sound off on whatever else crosses your internet-addled mind, that’s all fine. I just don’t want to be an enabler of your anger addiction and poor emotional regulation.

This last one is a surprisingly difficult decision for me. It goes against my basic understanding of what teaching is: Everyone can grow and learn. All things worth saying are worth saying to everyone. But I’ve become convinced that online abuse is something truly sinister: A waste of time. Judaism teaches that time is sacred. The Sabbath, wrote Heschel, is the Jewish cathedral. With the exception of one small sacred space in Jerusalem, sanctity is nearly always given to time, not to objects or places. This is an idea that lies at the core of our mental world: You don’t waste time. Judaism also teaches that your soul is shaped by what it consumes through eye, ear and mouth. This too is a fundamental tenet. If you consume anger from your surroundings, your inner life will become angry. If you listen to lies, you’ll start telling them and seeing them everywhere. It warps your soul and your worldview. Dishonest people assume that everyone else is dishonest too. In a similar vein, if you consume pornography you’ll sacrifice some of your capacity for intimacy. If you eat without intent, you’ll eat badly. And so on.

Guard what your soul consumes, the Sages teach, lest that thing consume you in return. And so I’m going to try to be more intentional, more curating and careful of what I consume and what I dispense. I’ll mostly fail, of course, especially at the start, but that’s the goal. To focus on the wise, not on the self-important and enraged, on Palestinians and Jews, the actual protagonists of this moment, and not on the emotional addictions of spectators who are not. Sorry if you find yourself blocked in the near future. Be assured you’re not missing much. Take your revenge on me by reading a good book. That’ll show me.

Kindatired · 16/10/2024 18:27

Rather than draw in, Christians are encouraged to look outward towards those who are suffering the most . Many posters in these threads were educated in a culture of social justice and liberation theology. We see the children of Palestine as part of our human family, even if we are not devout or are agnostic or atheist at this point. Our world view dictates that we bear witness, that we offer peacekeeping. Many Jewish people also strive to heal the world as a way of serving God- @israelilefty you are one of them and are very inspiring.

Very few people think that the conflicts in the Middle East are simple. But equally,those at the coal face from any tradition can only truly see the conflict through their own personal lens and they lack objectivity .On an emotional level they can only acknowledge the aspects of the situation that affect them personally and then they fit their narrative to their emotions. Their leaders exploit and amplify nthis for political and personal gain.

So people who live thousands of away, not only have a right, but a duty to call out the atrocities inflicted on the civilian population. If 10 Israeli children a day were losing a limb as was the case in Gaza in the 3 months from last October to January , the world would not stay silent.
If Israel has a problem with peacekeeping, then it needs to ask for peace enforcement, not attack Unifil forces.

Limesodaagain · 16/10/2024 18:53

israelilefty · 16/10/2024 07:56

@Scirocco About those people (and they exist in great numbers on the internet on both sides) - I want to cite a wise post I happened to see on Twitter yesterday by Haviv Rettig Gur (havivrettiggur). Quoted here in full. I have to say, it really clarified for me something I have felt for a long time, which is that while I have all the time in the world for meaningful conversations with people who are willing to take the time to engage with reasonable sources and to acknowledge that there is complexity behind the news - I no longer have time to listen to or argue with people who are basically there to get an emotional kick out of righteous anger, especially when they live thousands of miles away from the actual conflict, speak neither language and are not willing to distinguish between reliable sources and propaganda. I know that the knee jerk reaction is to respond and call out - but it's ultimately just feeding and enabling trolls.

Here's the tweet:

This Yom Kippur was a very useful one for me. I thought a lot about the past year and reached some decisions that were meaningful for me. Some were big, some small. Two small ones of relevance to Twitter:

  1. I’m going to converse a bit less with the big wide world and more with Jews and Palestinians. What they think matters infinitely more to my children’s future than the moral entertainment the world uses us for. I’m tired of investing time and thought in outsiders’ feelings about my existence.
  1. If you tweet at me that you “ain’t reading all that,” you’ll get blocked. If you tweet at me crazy antisemitism, you’ll get blocked. If I write about religion and you respond with abuse surrounding the war, you’ll get blocked. It’s already begun, and my Twitter feed is already more interesting and useful for it. If you don’t want to read me, if you don’t think I can teach you or learn from you, if you can’t speak on topic so you sound off on whatever else crosses your internet-addled mind, that’s all fine. I just don’t want to be an enabler of your anger addiction and poor emotional regulation.

This last one is a surprisingly difficult decision for me. It goes against my basic understanding of what teaching is: Everyone can grow and learn. All things worth saying are worth saying to everyone. But I’ve become convinced that online abuse is something truly sinister: A waste of time. Judaism teaches that time is sacred. The Sabbath, wrote Heschel, is the Jewish cathedral. With the exception of one small sacred space in Jerusalem, sanctity is nearly always given to time, not to objects or places. This is an idea that lies at the core of our mental world: You don’t waste time. Judaism also teaches that your soul is shaped by what it consumes through eye, ear and mouth. This too is a fundamental tenet. If you consume anger from your surroundings, your inner life will become angry. If you listen to lies, you’ll start telling them and seeing them everywhere. It warps your soul and your worldview. Dishonest people assume that everyone else is dishonest too. In a similar vein, if you consume pornography you’ll sacrifice some of your capacity for intimacy. If you eat without intent, you’ll eat badly. And so on.

Guard what your soul consumes, the Sages teach, lest that thing consume you in return. And so I’m going to try to be more intentional, more curating and careful of what I consume and what I dispense. I’ll mostly fail, of course, especially at the start, but that’s the goal. To focus on the wise, not on the self-important and enraged, on Palestinians and Jews, the actual protagonists of this moment, and not on the emotional addictions of spectators who are not. Sorry if you find yourself blocked in the near future. Be assured you’re not missing much. Take your revenge on me by reading a good book. That’ll show me.

This is wisdom!

EasterIssland · 16/10/2024 19:54

UNIFIL statement: This morning, peacekeepers at a position near Kafer Kela observed an IDF Merkava tank firing at their watchtower. Two cameras were destroyed, and the tower was damaged. Yet again we see direct and apparently deliberate fire on a UNIFIL position.
We remind the IDF and all actors of their obligations to ensure the safety and security of UN personnel and property and to respect the inviolability of UN premises at all times.

https://x.com/UNIFIL_/status/1846610327573582091

x.com

https://x.com/UNIFIL_/status/1846610327573582091

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ScrollingLeaves · 17/10/2024 00:18

israelilefty · 16/10/2024 07:56

@Scirocco About those people (and they exist in great numbers on the internet on both sides) - I want to cite a wise post I happened to see on Twitter yesterday by Haviv Rettig Gur (havivrettiggur). Quoted here in full. I have to say, it really clarified for me something I have felt for a long time, which is that while I have all the time in the world for meaningful conversations with people who are willing to take the time to engage with reasonable sources and to acknowledge that there is complexity behind the news - I no longer have time to listen to or argue with people who are basically there to get an emotional kick out of righteous anger, especially when they live thousands of miles away from the actual conflict, speak neither language and are not willing to distinguish between reliable sources and propaganda. I know that the knee jerk reaction is to respond and call out - but it's ultimately just feeding and enabling trolls.

Here's the tweet:

This Yom Kippur was a very useful one for me. I thought a lot about the past year and reached some decisions that were meaningful for me. Some were big, some small. Two small ones of relevance to Twitter:

  1. I’m going to converse a bit less with the big wide world and more with Jews and Palestinians. What they think matters infinitely more to my children’s future than the moral entertainment the world uses us for. I’m tired of investing time and thought in outsiders’ feelings about my existence.
  1. If you tweet at me that you “ain’t reading all that,” you’ll get blocked. If you tweet at me crazy antisemitism, you’ll get blocked. If I write about religion and you respond with abuse surrounding the war, you’ll get blocked. It’s already begun, and my Twitter feed is already more interesting and useful for it. If you don’t want to read me, if you don’t think I can teach you or learn from you, if you can’t speak on topic so you sound off on whatever else crosses your internet-addled mind, that’s all fine. I just don’t want to be an enabler of your anger addiction and poor emotional regulation.

This last one is a surprisingly difficult decision for me. It goes against my basic understanding of what teaching is: Everyone can grow and learn. All things worth saying are worth saying to everyone. But I’ve become convinced that online abuse is something truly sinister: A waste of time. Judaism teaches that time is sacred. The Sabbath, wrote Heschel, is the Jewish cathedral. With the exception of one small sacred space in Jerusalem, sanctity is nearly always given to time, not to objects or places. This is an idea that lies at the core of our mental world: You don’t waste time. Judaism also teaches that your soul is shaped by what it consumes through eye, ear and mouth. This too is a fundamental tenet. If you consume anger from your surroundings, your inner life will become angry. If you listen to lies, you’ll start telling them and seeing them everywhere. It warps your soul and your worldview. Dishonest people assume that everyone else is dishonest too. In a similar vein, if you consume pornography you’ll sacrifice some of your capacity for intimacy. If you eat without intent, you’ll eat badly. And so on.

Guard what your soul consumes, the Sages teach, lest that thing consume you in return. And so I’m going to try to be more intentional, more curating and careful of what I consume and what I dispense. I’ll mostly fail, of course, especially at the start, but that’s the goal. To focus on the wise, not on the self-important and enraged, on Palestinians and Jews, the actual protagonists of this moment, and not on the emotional addictions of spectators who are not. Sorry if you find yourself blocked in the near future. Be assured you’re not missing much. Take your revenge on me by reading a good book. That’ll show me.

Thank you, those words are wise

EasterIssland · 20/10/2024 20:28

UNIFIL says IDF bulldozer demolished watchtower, fence at UN site in southern Lebanon

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/unifil-says-idf-bulldozer-demolished-watchtower-fence-at-un-site-in-southern-lebanon/

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SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 21/10/2024 12:39

Thanks Easter, I saw that this morning and came here to post it. You beat me to it. The attacks on UN facilities and personnel are certainly provoking as well as being illegal. I wonder if the goal is to try and get the UN to fire back if fired on?

israelilefty · 21/10/2024 20:44

@Kindatired I think that you missed Haviv Rettig Gur's point. He is not talking about the right of people to call out atrocities, or of the value of objectivity, or even of drawing inward rather than looking outward. There are certainly important insights from well informed people outside the conflict like (say) Thomas Friedman of the NYT, which I think should receive far more attention. What Rettig Gur is against is spending his own time engaging in the highly emotive online arguments which are often fuelled by people who are not only outside the region but also lack the background insights, languages etc to be able to clearly read the situation, and often either intentionally or unintentionally participate in making the discussion divisive and emotionally charged, while not taking the responsibility to become better informed and consult reliable sources.

Kindatired · 21/10/2024 22:01

@israelilefty I think if you engage with social media at all you need to set boundaries to protect your own mental health and you need a high degree of scepticism. Toxic emotional arguments are bad for the mental health, but algorithmic echo chambers are bad for the soul. We live in a digital age though like it or not. I have a small notebook in which my grandfather transcribed by pencil the graveside speeches of those executed in the 1916 rising against the British in Ireland.In the absence of television or radio or photocopiers, that is how people shared that type of thing. Now we have on-line publications that can amplify propaganda from both sides of any situation. Do you challenge it or let it go? If everyone lets it go, then it becomes the accepted truth- look at the impact of Joan Peters’s book for instance and that was pre-internet.

Thomas Friedman has an in depth knowledge but I think he sees himself as a policy influencer more than a commentator or analyst. Of course maybe that’s a good thing?

I hope you and yours are staying safe during this terrible time

EasterIssland · 22/10/2024 22:54

According Finantial times the smoke that injured several peacekeepers few days ago could be White Phosphorus. this could probably explain why so many had injures despite wearing masks.

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In the early hours of October 13, Unifil said two IDF Merkava tanks broke through one base’s main gate. Following Unifil protests, the tanks left after 45 minutes. But within an hour, several rounds were fired about 100 metres north of the base, which emitted “smoke of suspected white phosphorus” that wafted into the base, the report said, injuring 15 peacekeepers.

Rights groups have documented Israel’s use of white phosphorus in Lebanon throughout the past year. Its use is unlawful in populated areas under international law, but it is frequently used as a military tool to obscure, or as a weapon to smoke out opposing forces, Weir said.

https://www.ft.com/content/151eb482-6415-48a8-bf3f-baed00018c4e

Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report

Confidential document says 15 peacekeepers injured by white phosphorus

https://www.ft.com/content/151eb482-6415-48a8-bf3f-baed00018c4e

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EasterIssland · 22/10/2024 22:59

It’s not the first time Israel uses it in Lebanon (or Gaza)

oct 2023

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlawful-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-southern-lebanon-as-cross-border-hostilities-escalate/

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SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 25/10/2024 17:39

Just appalling. I am beyond fed up that Biden is doing fuck all to pull Israel back.

PeasfullPerson · 29/10/2024 14:19

From Al Jazeera, below. I imagine it’s still quite scary to be lightly wounded in a rocket strike.

Eight UN peacekeepers wounded in southern Lebanon

Eight Austrian soldiers belonging to the peacekeeping group the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) were lightly wounded in a rocket strike on Camp Naqoura near the Israeli border.
“We condemn this attack in the strongest possible terms and demand that it be investigated immediately,” Austria’s Defence Ministry said in a statement, adding it’s unclear where the attack came from.
None of the soldiers needed urgent medical care, it said. UNIFIL has faced a series of Israeli attacks on its peacekeepers. The Israeli government has demanded that UNIFIL leave its positions in Lebanon, an order the UN force has refused.

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