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Conflict in the Middle East

UN peacekeepers injured by Israel

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EasterIssland · 10/10/2024 13:04

After all the news this week regarding IDF threatening peacekeepers in Lebanon this is news now.

from bbc

Two UN peacekeepers injured after Israeli tank fires at watchtowerpublished at 12:50 British Summer Time
12:50 BSTBREAKING
Two UN peacekeepers have been injured after an Israeli tank fired towards a watchtower at a UN base in southern Lebanon, the UN says.
According to a statement by the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), the observation tower at its headquarters in Naqoura was directly hit, causing the peacekeepers to fall.
"The injuries are fortunately, this time, not serious, but they remain in hospital," the UN says.
It adds that Israeli soldiers also fired at a UN base in Ras Naqoura, "hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering, and damaging vehicles and a communications system".
There's more in their statement which we'll bring you shortly.
UNIFIL is a UN peacekeeping mission created in 1978. It monitors hostilities and helps to ensure humanitarian access to civilians.

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Dulra · 10/10/2024 22:09

Silence1 · 10/10/2024 22:07

Not Dermot McLoughlin. The IDF killed him. It was deemed a deliberate attack. Two senior IDF soldiers were not named but were disciplined.
And something familiar to all of us now, another UN soldier said the IDF fired on the ambulance coming to help.
Deja Vu

Apologies I wasn't aware of that killing.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 10/10/2024 22:12

I see you. Trying to paint UNIFIL as in cahoots with Hezbollah to justify IDF attacking yet another UN entity. It’s transparent.

1dayatatime · 10/10/2024 22:15

@Scirocco

"Even if I think someone is a bit shit at their job, I don't tend to think that's a reason to shoot them."

Whilst I agree that being shit at their job isn't a valid reason to be shot at, I think it's worth pointing out that in the case of the UN Forces south of the Litani river they are not so much shit at their job but are deliberately not doing their job out of fear of being attacked by Hezbollah. And by deliberately not doing their job they then allow Hezbollah to fire thousands of missiles into Northern Israel such as the death of the 12 Druze children playing football.

To be blunt given that the UN Forces perform no actual role at all and certainly don't enforce the UN Resolution 1701 (which is supposed to be their job) then their presence is pointless and they might as well be removed.

Dulra · 10/10/2024 22:17

1dayatatime · 10/10/2024 22:15

@Scirocco

"Even if I think someone is a bit shit at their job, I don't tend to think that's a reason to shoot them."

Whilst I agree that being shit at their job isn't a valid reason to be shot at, I think it's worth pointing out that in the case of the UN Forces south of the Litani river they are not so much shit at their job but are deliberately not doing their job out of fear of being attacked by Hezbollah. And by deliberately not doing their job they then allow Hezbollah to fire thousands of missiles into Northern Israel such as the death of the 12 Druze children playing football.

To be blunt given that the UN Forces perform no actual role at all and certainly don't enforce the UN Resolution 1701 (which is supposed to be their job) then their presence is pointless and they might as well be removed.

To be blunt given that the UN Forces perform no actual role at all and certainly don't enforce the UN Resolution 1701 (which is supposed to be their job) then their presence is pointless and they might as well be removed.

Which is exactly what Israel wants, no UN observers.

Scirocco · 10/10/2024 22:20

It's not the job of the peacekeeping forces to stop Hezbollah. That was the job of the Lebanese army. The role of peacekeeping forces is to provide support and monitoring.

Scirocco · 10/10/2024 22:24

"might as well be removed"... Well, the IDF seem to agree with that suggestion. I don't think many people who support concepts like justice, international law and humanitarian principles would agree though. It's not ok to attack peacekeeping forces.

EasterIssland · 10/10/2024 22:25

Dulra · 10/10/2024 22:17

To be blunt given that the UN Forces perform no actual role at all and certainly don't enforce the UN Resolution 1701 (which is supposed to be their job) then their presence is pointless and they might as well be removed.

Which is exactly what Israel wants, no UN observers.

i feel like unifil is the new unrwa. Wonder how long it’ll take for israel to start spreading lies about them?

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MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:26

can we be sure they were UN as sometimes there are situations when others dress in the uniforms of x military or other agencies etc ?

Scirocco · 10/10/2024 22:26

MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:26

can we be sure they were UN as sometimes there are situations when others dress in the uniforms of x military or other agencies etc ?

Are you serious?

stormy4319trevor · 10/10/2024 22:27

Scirocco · 10/10/2024 22:24

"might as well be removed"... Well, the IDF seem to agree with that suggestion. I don't think many people who support concepts like justice, international law and humanitarian principles would agree though. It's not ok to attack peacekeeping forces.

Indeed. Removing people by shooting at them seems rather extreme.

MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:28

Scirocco · 10/10/2024 22:26

Are you serious?

why ? so your saying there has never been any operations with different groups wearing different uniforms to mislead or confuse ?

username3678 · 10/10/2024 22:30

MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:28

why ? so your saying there has never been any operations with different groups wearing different uniforms to mislead or confuse ?

They were attacked where it was known the UN were stationed.

EasterIssland · 10/10/2024 22:30

MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:28

why ? so your saying there has never been any operations with different groups wearing different uniforms to mislead or confuse ?

Agree , Idf has done this in Palestine quite a lot lately

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1dayatatime · 10/10/2024 22:30

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 10/10/2024 22:12

I see you. Trying to paint UNIFIL as in cahoots with Hezbollah to justify IDF attacking yet another UN entity. It’s transparent.

UNFIL are not in cahoots with Hezbollah, the UN forces are simply turning a blind eye and staying out of their way in order to avoid being murdered by Hezbollah.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 10/10/2024 22:30

The idf seem to have permission to go a bit loopy and kill whoever.

MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:31

username3678 · 10/10/2024 22:30

They were attacked where it was known the UN were stationed.

but even then whos to say these were trying to infiltrate etc but its been classed as an accident in order to cover the truth ? admittedly too much of the show spooks or the unit

EasterIssland · 10/10/2024 22:31

MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:26

can we be sure they were UN as sometimes there are situations when others dress in the uniforms of x military or other agencies etc ?

doubt UN will be reporting the injuries if it’s members if they weren’t UN members. Also, doubt they’d be reporting that IDF has fired at their cameras if these cameras weren’t theirs

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1dayatatime · 10/10/2024 22:33

MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:26

can we be sure they were UN as sometimes there are situations when others dress in the uniforms of x military or other agencies etc ?

Well the usual batshit conspiracy theories on these threads seems to have stepped up a level.

Scirocco · 10/10/2024 22:33

MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:28

why ? so your saying there has never been any operations with different groups wearing different uniforms to mislead or confuse ?

So, the UN has publicly confirmed that these were their people, on their bases, and your interpretation of that is that it's actually been people playing dress-up?

In your scenario, how did these cosplayers get in to the UN peacekeepers' bases? Or were the bases just pretending to be UNIFIL bases too? If so, what happened to the actual UNIFIL bases on those sites? Or did the UN officials just get confused and read the maps wrong?

MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:33

EasterIssland · 10/10/2024 22:31

doubt UN will be reporting the injuries if it’s members if they weren’t UN members. Also, doubt they’d be reporting that IDF has fired at their cameras if these cameras weren’t theirs

true but to use devils advocate and from shows like spooks etc if thre is more to it this could be part of a bigger operation etc

MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:34

Scirocco · 10/10/2024 22:33

So, the UN has publicly confirmed that these were their people, on their bases, and your interpretation of that is that it's actually been people playing dress-up?

In your scenario, how did these cosplayers get in to the UN peacekeepers' bases? Or were the bases just pretending to be UNIFIL bases too? If so, what happened to the actual UNIFIL bases on those sites? Or did the UN officials just get confused and read the maps wrong?

In the context of warfare and intelligence operations, the use of deceptive uniforms, false flags, or the impersonation of military forces has long been employed as a tactic to mislead, confuse, or create strategic advantage. This strategy, which is often referred to as "false flag operations" when tied to wider goals of creating misinformation, serves a range of military objectives—from infiltrating enemy lines to discrediting the opposition. Such tactics are not new; historical precedents illustrate how different military forces and intelligence agencies have deployed this method effectively and with varying degrees of success.

Scirocco · 10/10/2024 22:35

MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:33

true but to use devils advocate and from shows like spooks etc if thre is more to it this could be part of a bigger operation etc

This isn't TV. The UN has a basic grasp of geography. Israeli forces attacked UN peacekeepers and their bases.

EasterIssland · 10/10/2024 22:35

MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:33

true but to use devils advocate and from shows like spooks etc if thre is more to it this could be part of a bigger operation etc

not sure I get you to be honest … but not sure I’m liking the spirals and twistings you’re trying to do in order to forgive IDFs actions

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MetalGearSystem · 10/10/2024 22:35

Scirocco · 10/10/2024 22:35

This isn't TV. The UN has a basic grasp of geography. Israeli forces attacked UN peacekeepers and their bases.

no its not tv, because militaries , spys ect were doing this long before modern tv

1dayatatime · 10/10/2024 22:37

@Scirocco

"It's not ok to attack peacekeeping forces."

I totally agree and given that UNFIL doesn't actually do anything in South Lebanon other than get shot at by the Israelis or murdered by Hezbollah then it's pretty pointless being there in the first place so it's probably a lot safer not being there.