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Lalaloveya · 03/12/2024 12:09

Toomanywars · 03/12/2024 11:58

Did he. The way he presents is very odd. Lots of assumptions with no evidence presented. Reminds me of the YouTubers with the "there might be, is it, it could be, apparently, maybe, who knows, some say, but Idont know anyway, claims. Odd.

Anyway I'd wait for a better source than him on if they are used and when. For clarity a bit of information:

"International law does not prohibit the use of thermobaric munitions, fuel-air explosive devices, or vacuum bombs against military targets.As of March 2024, all past attempts to regulate or restrict thermobaric weapons have failed.
According to some scholars, thermobaric weapons are not intrinsically indiscriminate by nature, as they are often engineered for precision targeting capabilities. This precision aspect serves to provide humanitarian advantages by potentially minimizing collateral damage and also lessens the amount of munitions needed to effectively engage with the chosen military goals".

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I think the problem might be that they're allegedly being used against civilians in their houses 🙄

JaneJeffer · 03/12/2024 12:10

against military targets
What does international law say about using it against innocent children @Toomanywars?

Toomanywars · 03/12/2024 12:21

Lalaloveya · 03/12/2024 12:09

I think the problem might be that they're allegedly being used against civilians in their houses 🙄

Allegedly being the apt word. A man who names his youtube "name Rants". I've forgotten his name. I ignore random youtubers. Why not wait for substantiated evidence.

Toomanywars · 03/12/2024 12:22

JaneJeffer · 03/12/2024 12:10

against military targets
What does international law say about using it against innocent children @Toomanywars?

You don't even know if its happened yet.

JaneJeffer · 03/12/2024 12:26

Why not wait for substantiated evidence.
He named his sources but yes let's wait for the journalists in Gaza to verify. What do you mean they've all been killed?

Lalaloveya · 03/12/2024 12:31

Toomanywars · 03/12/2024 12:21

Allegedly being the apt word. A man who names his youtube "name Rants". I've forgotten his name. I ignore random youtubers. Why not wait for substantiated evidence.

Who's going to provide that? Who in Northern Gaza can carry out an investigation into this? Who is gathering the evidence you're waiting for? The point of the video is that someone should be investigating.

Toomanywars · 03/12/2024 13:13

Are you aware of who Damo rants is? A Cornish man who cares for his wife and basically rants on youtube off the top of his head. A rather comical spin often but worryingly people actually think he's credible 😂

I wonder if you are aware of what he shared after October 7th. He shared what he described as Hamas response and yhy they did it. It included them saying in their 10 step response that they didn't harm any civilians. (Convienently ignoring the fact they filmed themselves shooting people). Go look it up.

I cannot believe I'm actually bothering to reply to someone who views Damo Rants as a credible source. Good grief.

Toomanywars · 03/12/2024 13:15

Lalaloveya · 03/12/2024 12:31

Who's going to provide that? Who in Northern Gaza can carry out an investigation into this? Who is gathering the evidence you're waiting for? The point of the video is that someone should be investigating.

I doubt anyone high up in the UK, Israel or Gaza will investigate anything Damo Rants claims 🙄😂

JaneJeffer · 03/12/2024 13:23

Nothing is being investigated. Journalists aren't allowed in. You seem to find that amusing for some reason.

Lalaloveya · 03/12/2024 13:43

Toomanywars · 03/12/2024 13:15

I doubt anyone high up in the UK, Israel or Gaza will investigate anything Damo Rants claims 🙄😂

Well they probably care about those being killed as much as you seem to so you're probably right.

The point is that no one who actually cares about Human Rights or the law of armed conflict can.

Toomanywars · 03/12/2024 14:23

Thanks for sharing a credible source.

Doesn't mention the type of weapon someone has claimed is used.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/12/2024 14:49

Re Palestinians in Gaza being incinerated.

Mahmoud Ahmad Salah,12, survived an airstrike on 7 December that wiped out his entire family in western Khan Younis.

Dozens of relatives were killed in the strike, but when identifying the bodies, Mahmoud noticed that his mother and brother were not among the recovered corpses.

^“My mother was in the kitchen when the bombing happened,” Mahmoud recalled with a trembling voice in an interview in October near the ruins of his family home.
His testimony adds to the growing evidence that some victims are completely vaporized in some Israeli airstrikes.^

Reports from civil defense workers and hospitals indicate that 1,760 bodies have been incinerated by the intense heat generated by some Israeli bombs.

Civil defense officer Tamer Zourob told The Electronic Intifada that the scenes he encounters are “beyond description.”
“Even the concrete melts and turns to ashes because of these bombs, so imagine what they do to a human body,” he said.

^Many people are reported missing after airstrikes, he said, but extensive search efforts often fail to recover any remains.
“It’s heartbreaking when families beg us to find their loved ones, even a small piece of them. But sometimes, we find nothing,” he said.^

https://electronicintifada.net/content/relatives-missing-presumed-incinerated-endure-ambiguous-loss/49736

Death and the Story

A new literary form emerges under genocide.

https://vashtimedia.com/death-and-the-story-gaza-instagram/

ScrollingLeaves · 03/12/2024 14:52

For obvious reasons no one will be allowed to investigate unfortunately.

israel365news.com/398277/gaza-health-ministry-accuses-israel-of-using-secret-weapons-that-vaporize-human-bodies/

“Israel is testing weapons on us that we do not recognize,” Dr. Al-Bursh wrote. “They drop bombs with terrifying sounds, and when a person gets within 200-300 meters of them, they vaporize.

“The massacres happening in northern Gaza are unknown to us until later. Nobody calls to inform us. The Israeli army bombs entire residential blocks, wiping out all their inhabitants, and we only find out about them a day or two later.

“When these weapons are used on residential buildings, they reduce them to small fragments and rubble. We urgently need an international investigation committee to uncover what ‘Israel’ is doing to us.”

Scirocco · 03/12/2024 15:17

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un.

May Allah grant all those unjustly slain a place in Jannat al-Firdaus, and reunite them with their loved ones there when it is their time.

Lettherebejustice · 03/12/2024 15:26

Scirocco · 03/12/2024 15:17

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un.

May Allah grant all those unjustly slain a place in Jannat al-Firdaus, and reunite them with their loved ones there when it is their time.

Ameen ya rabb
I can't see anymore of what they do, the cruelty is beyond anything I ever imagined.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 03/12/2024 16:38

ScrollingLeaves · 03/12/2024 14:52

For obvious reasons no one will be allowed to investigate unfortunately.

israel365news.com/398277/gaza-health-ministry-accuses-israel-of-using-secret-weapons-that-vaporize-human-bodies/

“Israel is testing weapons on us that we do not recognize,” Dr. Al-Bursh wrote. “They drop bombs with terrifying sounds, and when a person gets within 200-300 meters of them, they vaporize.

“The massacres happening in northern Gaza are unknown to us until later. Nobody calls to inform us. The Israeli army bombs entire residential blocks, wiping out all their inhabitants, and we only find out about them a day or two later.

“When these weapons are used on residential buildings, they reduce them to small fragments and rubble. We urgently need an international investigation committee to uncover what ‘Israel’ is doing to us.”

And I think because as a surgeon, he was a credible witness to the injuries caused by illegal use of weapons, he was then targeted for detention, torture and a fatal beating. He was dumped naked from the waist down bleeding in a prison courtyard and died shortly thereafter despite other inmates trying to help him, get him medical attention.

https://news.sky.com/video/new-testimony-claims-to-reveal-the-moments-that-led-to-death-of-dr-adnan-al-bursh-13253918

New testimony claims to reveal the moments that led to death of Dr Adnan Al-Bursh

Testimony from an inmate at the prison where Dr Adnan Al-Bursh died has detailed claims about the moments leading up to his death.

https://news.sky.com/video/new-testimony-claims-to-reveal-the-moments-that-led-to-death-of-dr-adnan-al-bursh-13253918

Auvergne63 · 03/12/2024 17:32

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 03/12/2024 16:38

And I think because as a surgeon, he was a credible witness to the injuries caused by illegal use of weapons, he was then targeted for detention, torture and a fatal beating. He was dumped naked from the waist down bleeding in a prison courtyard and died shortly thereafter despite other inmates trying to help him, get him medical attention.

https://news.sky.com/video/new-testimony-claims-to-reveal-the-moments-that-led-to-death-of-dr-adnan-al-bursh-13253918

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I agree with you. I had read about him and I can't stomach anymore the cruelty of the so called most moral army in the world.
It is barbarism. But yet, people will defend what cannot be defended.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/12/2024 17:40

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 03/12/2024 16:38

And I think because as a surgeon, he was a credible witness to the injuries caused by illegal use of weapons, he was then targeted for detention, torture and a fatal beating. He was dumped naked from the waist down bleeding in a prison courtyard and died shortly thereafter despite other inmates trying to help him, get him medical attention.

https://news.sky.com/video/new-testimony-claims-to-reveal-the-moments-that-led-to-death-of-dr-adnan-al-bursh-13253918

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Thank you for that reminder of how the Israeli government dealt with this Doctor in Gaza whom the world were likely to listen to regarding his allegations about Israel’s illegal use of weapons on Palestinians.

Kindatired · 03/12/2024 19:49

Poor Dr Al Bursh. I met a friend of his earlier this year - he was by all accounts a wonderful man and a sad loss. Before his internment he was as fit as flea, swimming in the sea and having the craic with everyone, saving lives and generally being a good guy. RIP.

Today’s Washington Post has a feature of about 120 -independently validated photos and videos posted by IDF soldiers, a small fraction of revenge incidents that escaped the IDF censorship. They show the soldiers torching and destroying people’s homes and property, and celebrating their revenge, often in compliance of orders from their commanding officers.

At least Dr Al Bursh’s family can be proud of their fathers life.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/12/2024 21:15

Kindatired · 03/12/2024 19:49

Poor Dr Al Bursh. I met a friend of his earlier this year - he was by all accounts a wonderful man and a sad loss. Before his internment he was as fit as flea, swimming in the sea and having the craic with everyone, saving lives and generally being a good guy. RIP.

Today’s Washington Post has a feature of about 120 -independently validated photos and videos posted by IDF soldiers, a small fraction of revenge incidents that escaped the IDF censorship. They show the soldiers torching and destroying people’s homes and property, and celebrating their revenge, often in compliance of orders from their commanding officers.

At least Dr Al Bursh’s family can be proud of their fathers life.

At least Dr Al Bursh’s family can be proud of their fathers life.

Yes, he was a hero.

Lettherebejustice · 03/12/2024 22:37

Whatever is left of beit lahia in the north is being decimted right now.
I can't believe we are seeing ethnic cleansing being played live to the world in real time.

MissyB1 · 04/12/2024 09:31

Lettherebejustice · 03/12/2024 22:37

Whatever is left of beit lahia in the north is being decimted right now.
I can't believe we are seeing ethnic cleansing being played live to the world in real time.

And so much denial about it too 😡