How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

Think the same thing can be said about Netanyahu. Don’t think he’ll soon win the Nobel of peace

This is very correct.

Israel have once again violated international law. Where are the sanctions in Israel?

This thread did well for a bit didn’t it. I think most rational people have given up on this now. Keep echoing guys 👍

This fiction re Gaza not being under blockade is so tiresome. There's an internationally recognised blockade on the Gaza strip going back to 2007. I'm not sure if some people are so blinded by Israeli propaganda that they actually believe that this isn't the case, or if they lie out of badness but either way it's grossly offensive to those who are living in Gaza under these conditions.

I think it’s still going well. People with different opinions are debating about it.
Not everyone has to think the same as you.

id say there are other thread where there is more echo chamber than on this one

8:20 minutes in Gideon Levy of Israeli newspaper Haaretz is speaking
to Cathy Newman on Channel 4 News tonight.

Must have been so tiresome for you dealing with all the irrational posters 🙄

Keep sticking your thumb up 👍

@PeasfullPerson erm, okay. 👍

"There's a lot of misinformation spreading about how these were precision attacks and precision targets, which implies that this is okay. This is not okay. This is a violation of international law."

Well said.

In the post war 50s and 60s Lebanon was once a peaceful, prosperous and beautiful country and Beirut was described as the Paris of the Middle East. There was frosty but peaceful relations with Israel.

The cause of it becoming a failed state is largely the actions of Palestinian militants

After the defeat of the Palestinian militants in Jordan they were kicked out of Jordan and the Palestinian militants relocated to Lebanon. There they firstly continued their attacks against Israel and secondly started a civil war between the Palestinian / Muslim militias and the Christian militias. This civil war destroyed the country.

Surgeon Elias Jaradeh said he treated women and children but most of the patients he saw were young men.

But members of their families have also been killed or wounded, along with innocent bystanders. Elias Jaradeh described the wounded he treated as looking "mostly civilian".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04p7q3k4k9o

@Dulra

"Must have been so tiresome for you dealing with all the irrational posters 🙄"

No it's actually quite fun and also educational as well.

How's the note taking going? Not too tiresome I hope.

How's the note taking going? Not too tiresome I hope.
Well your response to me was deleted by the time I got to it so no note taking was needed.

What horrible industrial scale maiming, although bombs are that too.

Andrew Marr was talking about the technicalities of causing the explosions in the devices on LBC news. It us terrifying.

The BBC article you posted said
while walkie-talkies and pagers have now been banned onboard all flights operating at Beirut's Rafic Hariri Airport

It is lucky one of the explosions was not on a plane.

I wonder if one day phones could be banned on flights too? Apparently any lithium battery can be made to explode.
LBC News with Andrew Marr:
Who was responsible for the Lebanon attacks? And how did they happen? | LBC analysis

@EasterIssland

"But members of their families have also been killed or wounded, along with innocent bystanders. Elias Jaradeh described the wounded he treated as looking "mostly civilian""

"Looked mostly civilian " hmmm in which case based on their appearance they can't possibly be Hezballess terrorists.

It's all very simple. Hezbollah ordered 5000 pagers which they distributed to 5000 terrorists often the senior ones first. Israel presumably tampered with these pagers so that some 2600 have been injured, sadly including two children of Hezbollah members.

No non Hezbollah members were given these pagers and quite frankly no one even wanted the yester year tech of pagers.

Now that's at least 2,500 terrorists that are hopefully so badly injured that they will be unable to inflict death and injuries on innocent civilians of any nationality and especially children in the future. I can't see why anyone has a problem with this?

I can see a problem. Those 2500 injured weren’t all terrorists , there were as well
innocent bystanders as per doctors comment. You can justify it if you want. International organisations don’t agree with your opinion

@Dulra

"Well your response to me was deleted by the time I got to it so no note taking was needed."

Noted.

There's been quite a few deleted posts on this thread.

I don't understand why so many bystanders were injured. In a couple of videos I saw, both in busy supermarkets, the men with pagers who exploded were obviously hurt but no one else was, even people stood really close to them, like the cashier in the supermarket.

Maybe the figures aren't correct.

What rubbish.

Lots of people had these pagers including health care workers and children who have been killed or injured.

Why did children have Hezbollah-issued pagers? Are you saying the healthcare workers weren't affiliated with Hezbollah, and if so, do you have evidence?

Of course they don't. Their narrative only works when they can claim that random innocent doctors were innocently walking around with Hezbollah issued pagers.

I'm sure that innocent people have been maimed and, as somebody with a toddler that regularly picks up my phone, I dread to think about the children hurt and killed by this operation.

Unfortunately, war isn't a nice thing and innocent people do get killed. Hezbollah are a banned terrorist organisation and are the aggressors in their conflict with Israel. Israel does have the right to defend itself and kill Hezbollah terrorists wherever they are.

The genius and tragedy of this operation is that the terrorists clearly didn't suspect their electronic devices were capable of being used to kill them. This means they wouldn't have taken precautions to keep them out of the hands of their children.

I, personally, don't think I could have pressed the button to detonate the pagers knowing that young children, similar to my own, would likely be killed - but I do think it was a legitimate operation given Hezbollah's campaign of terror against Israel.

That's right. And it's not only about injuring and putting out of action Hizbollah operatives, it's also about knocking out their communications systems which is 100% a legitimate goal. The question is of proportionality as it is accepted throughout the world that there will be some innocent people who may be harmed in any military operation.

And how, pray tell, do you suggest that Israel defends its own civilians in the north against the endless daily war crimes of Hezbollah? Especially given, as we have seen, that they embed themeselves in civilian areas.
International law is clearly not fit for purpose when dealing with a situation like Hezbollah