How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

You are incorrect - being 100% sure is not required.

The Articles state that a party taking action must demonstrate they have taken reasonable precautions to protect civilians or if there is a risk that the military benefit must be significant.

It's perfectly acceptable under the Geneva convention to have limited civilian casualties.

War is awful, however, no one should just not fight back.

Why is this not afforded to the Palestinians? I have a friend who has family in the occupied territories and it's so bad there that she rarely speaks about it, as it's too traumatising for her. One thing she does say is that some of the worst of it, is not even reported in the news. People are scared that they will he targeted next if they dare to speak out. The ones who do, are regularly kidnapped from their homes in the middle of the night by the IDF.
Yet, anyone there who dares to fight back the military occupation is automatically branded a terrorist. Should they also just lie back and let Israel continue to abuse and take away their land?
The right to self defence on this topic is always very one sided.

There's very few who will acknowledge that the Palestinians have every right to resist the Israeli illegal occupation of their land.

@Auvergne63 Lol.

No mention of the UK in my post.

That quote has been exclusively used at Israelis / Jews on this thread. Context is important.

I find your tone policing unwelcome.

HTH.

It's an impossible situation @Parkingt111 They are losing their homes and any prospect of a state, and they are not allowed an army, I suppose because they are not a state. Attacking civilians is clearly wrong, I don't know what the law is regarding attacking military targets and soldiers for a stateless people, whether that is permitted to them in international law. But it seems to me that any physical resistance, even marching and protesting, is usually crushed. Even communication can be silenced. I put my faith in the infinite goodness of God, who will bring peace and kindness to the people there. I don't understand the cruelty and suffering, but I keep praying, as I am sure you do too.

Thank you stormy for your kind words and prayers.

I would never ever condone any sort of violence or aggression against innocent civilians in this conflict, whether they are Palestinian, Israeli or Lebanese.

God bless you @Parkingt111 These are heartbreaking times.

Sad isn't it.

As far as I'm aware Israel is not occupying any part of Lebanon (other than the occupied Sheeba Farms which is actually Syrian but Syria transferred it to Lebanon so Hezbollah could claim that Israel are still occupying Lebanon).

Given that this thread is about Hezbollah and Lebanon. Does Hezbollah have any right to attack Israel?

This is absolutely heart-breaking. How can you live like that?
Of course, as an occupied population, they have clearly the right to self-defence. We have accepted this throughout history; why is it so different for the Palestinians in the WB?

Because this has probably been part of the plan for years. All of it. Israel aren't stupid. They didn't just come up with these things over night.

I'd suggest that those people blaming Israel for the plight of the Palestinians should watch this documentary about the Camp David summit in 2000. The Palestinians were offered everything in exchange for peace. Arafat turned it down and started the 'intifada'. The rest is history and the Palestinians will never get another opportunity for a deal that favourable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0glcmc1/israel-and-the-arabs-elusive-peace-series-1-1-clinton

Not read the entire thread so I don't know if it has already been mentioned that the UN have said this attack IS indiscriminate and also violates IHL.

Speaking to Sky News, Ravina Shamdasani says the "utterly horrific" attack was "indiscriminate".
"The simultaneous targeting of thousands of individuals, without clear understanding of where they would be, what they were surrounded by when these devices were detonated, violates international law," she says.

She also stated:

"There's a lot of misinformation spreading about how these were precision attacks and precision targets, which implies that this is okay. This is not okay. This is a violation of international law."

I don't think it can get any clearer than this.

Absolutely. And thank you for sharing this.

Glad that what I thought was confirmed, i.e a breach of international law.

So the UN can condemn attacks on terrorists within 48 hours yet it took UN women 2 months to condemn the violence towards Israeli women on 7th Oct?!?!
Why are people not asking serious questions about institutionalised antisemitic bias at the UN?

Contested narrative

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/08/opinion/fictions-about-the-failure-at-camp-david.html?unlocked_article_code=1.L04.DNoz.jEDBiSwmYweF&smid=url-share

I'm talking about the conflict in Gaza. Fighting back against Hamas. Gaza wasn't occupied! Fighting back against Hezbollah who fire missiles into Israel. Lebanon isn't occupied.

Not according to this negotiator and this is his more recent take which no doubt is why Israel wants Trump back in :
" In this world, the United States’ image as a credible mediator has been hopelessly blackened by an administration whose approach to solving the Israeli-Palestinian problem is tethered to Trump’s reelection and the giving of all the honey to Israel—and nothing but vinegar and ashes to the Palestinians."

Lost in the Woods: A Camp David Retrospective - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace | Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

Gaza might not be occupied but the restrictions imposed in Gaza by Israel aren’t of a free country with total control over themselves.

Ararat and the Intifada. Another dreadful hate filled leader. Are there no decent leaders in Palestine who might want to try another way other than hate