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How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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mids2019 · 17/09/2024 18:11

Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

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SharpScroller · 18/09/2024 15:35

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Auvergne63 · 18/09/2024 15:36

I am at a loss to understand how any country is legally allowed to carry out this kind of attack on another country's soil. Lebanon and Israel aren't at war.
I can already hear what about the war on terror? It has been widely criticized for violating international law and human rights standards; so not a comparison you would want to make surely.
Some posters have mentioned The Geneva Convention regarding the way this attack was carried out but this only applies to wars and Israel is not at war with another country.
I also find it baffling that Mossad can plan an attack and execute it with such precision when they appear to be powerless in eliminating Hamas.
All very strange, indeed.

SharonEllis · 18/09/2024 15:37

gladius · 18/09/2024 15:35

Colonialism is it? Let’s send those colonisers back to wherever they came from, let them sit quietly and wait for the next pogrom. FFS

This. Please tell us, where should the 'colonisers' return to @Lalaloveya ?

AmberMariens · 18/09/2024 15:38

Auvergne63 · 18/09/2024 15:36

I am at a loss to understand how any country is legally allowed to carry out this kind of attack on another country's soil. Lebanon and Israel aren't at war.
I can already hear what about the war on terror? It has been widely criticized for violating international law and human rights standards; so not a comparison you would want to make surely.
Some posters have mentioned The Geneva Convention regarding the way this attack was carried out but this only applies to wars and Israel is not at war with another country.
I also find it baffling that Mossad can plan an attack and execute it with such precision when they appear to be powerless in eliminating Hamas.
All very strange, indeed.

You do know Hezbollah have been shooting hundreds of rockets a day into Israel, displacing hundreds of thousands of people who’ve had to move to temporary accommodation in other parts of the country, and killing 11 Bedouin children playing football just a few months ago? How is that legal or ok under the Geneva convention? Why does only one side have to play by the rules?

TheOliveGoose · 18/09/2024 15:40

gladius · 18/09/2024 14:56

The anti-Israel sentiment continues to flow freely from Ireland then.

Can you explain what was anti Israel in the piece I posted? The UN agrees that it is a violation of International humanitarian law, you can't expect countries to clap when other countries violate basic International laws, or do you?

TheOliveGoose · 18/09/2024 15:41

SharonEllis · 18/09/2024 15:37

This. Please tell us, where should the 'colonisers' return to @Lalaloveya ?

They could return to Israel like they have been ordered to by the ICJ?

YoYoYoYo12345 · 18/09/2024 15:44

SunnyZebra · 17/09/2024 23:06

According to a BBC news update at 19.45 she was the daughter of a Hezbollah member. But no, she wasn’t a terrorist and didn’t deserve to die, nor did the Druze children killed in the Golan Heights, the Israeli children killed on 7th Oct and the Palestinian children who have died in Gaza. It is devastating when innocent children are caught up in war.

This. Lots of innocent children dying in different countries.

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 15:44

PeasfullPerson · 18/09/2024 12:37

Hezbollah have said they will stop when there is a ceasefire, whether or not you believe that, you can’t say it isn’t related. They both have links with Iran.

LOL. It's related in the sense that Hezbollah uses it as an excuse. But everyone in Israel knows it's not true. Anyway, someone said below that it's actually all about the Shebaa Farms and "resistance" so there's that.

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 15:47

Auvergne63 · 18/09/2024 15:36

I am at a loss to understand how any country is legally allowed to carry out this kind of attack on another country's soil. Lebanon and Israel aren't at war.
I can already hear what about the war on terror? It has been widely criticized for violating international law and human rights standards; so not a comparison you would want to make surely.
Some posters have mentioned The Geneva Convention regarding the way this attack was carried out but this only applies to wars and Israel is not at war with another country.
I also find it baffling that Mossad can plan an attack and execute it with such precision when they appear to be powerless in eliminating Hamas.
All very strange, indeed.

Lebanon is allowing (since they have no choice as they are effectively a puppet state of Iran) Hezbollah to freely operate there and to attack Israel. Therefore, Israel IS allowed to defend itself against those attacks since Lebanon is incapable of doing so.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 18/09/2024 15:47

EasterIssland · 17/09/2024 23:13

It doesn’t change the fact that she’s been killed when she shouldn’t have

No she shouldn't have. Maybe her father should keep his hezbollah issued pager for his use. Maybe hezbollah should stop firing missiles into Israel? Hezbollah are no use or instrument and aren't helping the situation in Gaza but support hamas .

Both hezbollah and hamas are terrorist organisations.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 18/09/2024 15:49

AmberMariens · 18/09/2024 15:38

You do know Hezbollah have been shooting hundreds of rockets a day into Israel, displacing hundreds of thousands of people who’ve had to move to temporary accommodation in other parts of the country, and killing 11 Bedouin children playing football just a few months ago? How is that legal or ok under the Geneva convention? Why does only one side have to play by the rules?

I think this is forgotten or ignored 🙁

YoYoYoYo12345 · 18/09/2024 15:51

Auvergne63 · 18/09/2024 15:36

I am at a loss to understand how any country is legally allowed to carry out this kind of attack on another country's soil. Lebanon and Israel aren't at war.
I can already hear what about the war on terror? It has been widely criticized for violating international law and human rights standards; so not a comparison you would want to make surely.
Some posters have mentioned The Geneva Convention regarding the way this attack was carried out but this only applies to wars and Israel is not at war with another country.
I also find it baffling that Mossad can plan an attack and execute it with such precision when they appear to be powerless in eliminating Hamas.
All very strange, indeed.

I guess hezbollah firing missiles into Israel might be a potential reason by Israel feels the need to remove as many hezbollah operatives as possible !

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 15:51

Lalaloveya · 18/09/2024 15:19

Ireland is against occupation and colonialism, for obvious reasons. Also the country has a defence force rather than a military and prides itself on its peacekeeping missions, UNIFIL included. Leaders speaking out against war crimes and breaches of international law should be welcomed.

How many desperate Jews, fleeing occupation and persecution, did Ireland take in during WW2? Almost none...I guess Ireland liked having a very small Jewish population and didn't want to change it.
Yeah, the Irish are real humanitarians

gladius · 18/09/2024 15:54

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-planted-explosives-hezbollahs-taiwan-made-pagers-say-sources-2024-09-18/

Handheld radios detonated across Lebanon, what next? A ground incursion?

AhaHa · 18/09/2024 15:54

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StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 15:55

YoYoYoYo12345 · 18/09/2024 15:47

No she shouldn't have. Maybe her father should keep his hezbollah issued pager for his use. Maybe hezbollah should stop firing missiles into Israel? Hezbollah are no use or instrument and aren't helping the situation in Gaza but support hamas .

Both hezbollah and hamas are terrorist organisations.

And now Hezbollah military communication equipment is blwoing up - just now at one of the funerals of one of the senior commanders who was killed.
Let's hope it might lead to some Hezbollah terrorists rethinking their career choices....

YoYoYoYo12345 · 18/09/2024 16:00

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 15:55

And now Hezbollah military communication equipment is blwoing up - just now at one of the funerals of one of the senior commanders who was killed.
Let's hope it might lead to some Hezbollah terrorists rethinking their career choices....

Sadly, I doubt it. Several terrorist organisations seem to have the sole aim of wiping out Israel. They don't appear to have any aim to improve things for their own people, just the death and destruction of Israel and Israeli people. Quite pointless people and pointless organisations.

TheOliveGoose · 18/09/2024 16:03

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 15:51

How many desperate Jews, fleeing occupation and persecution, did Ireland take in during WW2? Almost none...I guess Ireland liked having a very small Jewish population and didn't want to change it.
Yeah, the Irish are real humanitarians

Ireland was about 20 years old, very much recovering from 100s of years of brutal occupation by Britain. Do you have any idea what life was like in Ireland in the 1940s? Honestly the ignorance is staggering.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 18/09/2024 16:07

gladius · 18/09/2024 12:46

Who benefits from a reimagined HZB as not terrorist?

Indeed.

Auvergne63 · 18/09/2024 16:09

AmberMariens · 18/09/2024 15:38

You do know Hezbollah have been shooting hundreds of rockets a day into Israel, displacing hundreds of thousands of people who’ve had to move to temporary accommodation in other parts of the country, and killing 11 Bedouin children playing football just a few months ago? How is that legal or ok under the Geneva convention? Why does only one side have to play by the rules?

When Israel signed up to the Geneva convention, they agreed to follow it. You can't just dip in and out when it suits. It is legally binding, that is why the Israeli government has to play by the rules, or shall I say by the laws they agreed to follow.
Whilst I am fully aware of deplorable actions of Hezbollah, I also find it very hard to believe that the Israeli government cares for the Bedouin children killed ( I do)
Have a read of this.
BedouinFactSheet.pdf (truah.org)

https://www.truah.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/BedouinFactSheet.pdf

SharonEllis · 18/09/2024 16:11

TheOliveGoose · 18/09/2024 16:03

Ireland was about 20 years old, very much recovering from 100s of years of brutal occupation by Britain. Do you have any idea what life was like in Ireland in the 1940s? Honestly the ignorance is staggering.

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Not sure that's quite the whole story, is it? but others can do their own research, rather than take us further down this tangent.

Auvergne63 · 18/09/2024 16:12

StupidFarang · 18/09/2024 15:47

Lebanon is allowing (since they have no choice as they are effectively a puppet state of Iran) Hezbollah to freely operate there and to attack Israel. Therefore, Israel IS allowed to defend itself against those attacks since Lebanon is incapable of doing so.

International laws don't work that way. Look it up.This is your opinion, nothing else.

EasterIssland · 18/09/2024 16:16

More than 100 injured in walkie-talkie blasts - health ministrypublished at 16:12 British Summer Time
16:12 BSTBREAKING
More than 100 have been wounded in the latest wave of walkie-talkie blasts in Lebanon, the health ministry says, as quoted by the AFP news agency.

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Are the 100 injured terrorists as well??

Auvergne63 · 18/09/2024 16:16

YoYoYoYo12345 · 18/09/2024 15:51

I guess hezbollah firing missiles into Israel might be a potential reason by Israel feels the need to remove as many hezbollah operatives as possible !

Indeed but it does not give them the legal right to do so. What Israel wants to do and what they can legally do are two different things.

Flibflobflibflob · 18/09/2024 16:17

I think whats becoming rapidly apparent is that Israel plans exceptionally well. I honestly think this conflict has just served to expose how ineffectual Iran actually is. There was a lot of talk about how Hezbollah could flatten Israel quite easily at the beginning of this with a lot of talk about how Israel would fare badly in open conflict. I’m increasingly thinking it really wouldn’t. It appears the pager plan was supposed to be used in the even of an all out war but they had to go early.

I imagine they will now just think of something else.

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