How the hell did the Israeli's mange to cause the exploding pagers?

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Just this is really ...how did they do it? Was this the secret service on steroids?

I think your posts demonstrate clearly that it isn't that people feel the method Israel used was OK, it's not about 'legitimate targets' and 'targeted attacks'. It's about keeping Israel safe above all else and everyone else. It's fine if you feel that way but it's the disingenuous talk of legitimate targets and about the attacks being targeted when clearly given not one person said it would be fine for the PA to do the same against a legitimate taget it isn't about that all. Just be honest about your reasons for being ok with it.

So Gaza is a whole separate issue, but Iran isn’t. Interesting.

It's really something to hear people being rightfully and correctly outraged about the killing of 12 children and the displacement of tens (hundreds?) of thousands by Hezbollah. You're nearly there...

So you know what a terrorist looks like

Do they have a special uniform

Honestly

Iran and Hezbollah are inextricably linked. So not really that interesting.

Have you got any evidence of this?

Gaza is separate, though related and there are literally dozens of threads - rehearsing the same arguments here wont get us anywhere on this particular thread. Iran is directly relevant because it is relevant to the question of what sort of organisation Hezbollah is, how it operates, what its motivations and strategic objectives in the region are.

I think it's pretty foul to draw an equivalence with people celebrating October 7th in the street and posters on mumsnet pointing out that a targeted attack on a terrorist group is an acceptable action.

If they can do it with pagers, what other items are out there?

Sure. That’s what it’s not. But what is it?

I am finding the celebrations and down playing of harm on this thread pretty foul.

I think the fact that they died there rather disproves the idea that they did nothing. And I think you understood that perfectly well.

Please point to the celebrations and downplaying of harm you have seen.

Hezbollah have said they will stop when there is a ceasefire, whether or not you believe that, you can’t say it isn’t related. They both have links with Iran.

What about all the other Lebanese children killed since October 8th by Israeli attacks? What about the Lebanese children that have had to evacuate as well?

The last estimate I read was 100,000 Lebanese have been displaced compared to 60,000 Israelis due to the cross border attacks.

If you are ok with this sort of terror attack, then you would presumably also be ok with the Lebanese or Iranian army ‘neutralising’ IDF reservists in the shops with explosives…

Some may not be supporters overtly but they are determined (many times in every thread) to present their twitter arguments to excuse any terrorists and blame Israel for everything

Well done Mossad.

You literally thanked the post. Assume you have read it now. Will you request MN deletes your posts saying Hezbollah is not a terrorist organisation?

There is a difference between intervening in a conflict to keep the peace and sitting on the sidelines and only defending if attacked.

But of course, you were not there so you haven’t the foggiest idea.

I have read it now, I went back in the thread and did the thanks to let you know I was taking you seriously.

Why? I said ‘as far as I know they haven’t been officially designated as terrorists’ which is true according to the UN Security Council. The fact that some countries independently have done so, I did not know at the time I posted. It also says in the link you provided that whether or not Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation is a “contentious issue”.

So this thread is reflecting that it is contentious.

You categorically stated that Hezbollah is not a terrorist organisation without doing the research.

You have been presented with the evidence and you are still doubling down.

The distinction between civilian, combatant, terrorist etc are fundamental to the assessment of legitimacy in any military action.

To keep insisting that they are not terrorists is terrorist apologism and completely unacceptable.

Who benefits from a reimagined HZB as not terrorist?

Exactly.

Honestly you should send that emoticon to bbc as the comment you’re replying to I copied it from bbc as I indicated.

EU's top diplomat: Lebanon pager explosions 'extremely worrying'

"Even if the attacks seem to have been targeted, they had heavy, indiscriminate collateral damages among civilians, including children among the victims," Borrell said on Wednesday.

"I consider this situation extremely worrying. I can only condemn these attacks that endanger the security and stability of Lebanon, and increase the risk of escalation in the region," he added.

"The European Union calls on all stakeholders to avert an all-out war, which would have heavy consequences for the entire region and beyond," Borrell said.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/eu-s-top-diplomat-lebanon-pager-explosions-extremely-worrying/ar-AA1qLOIH