Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze5w2wd4x0o

I don't want to convince you of anything. I doubt I could, anyway.
I firmly believe that Hamas hates Israelis as much as the Israeli government hates the Palestinians. Both has been demonstrated by the horrors of 07/10 and the ongoing horrors in Gaza and the West Bank.
Let's not forget Netanyahu has allowed Hamas to grow by funding them for years. This is a well known fact. He has, deliberately, endangered the lives of his citizens as much as Hamas has. Whilst both remain in power, no one will be safe.

The whataboutery bit is you having to mention it when its absolutely bleeding obvious.

No, just people who have eyes and ears as well as the ability to use critical thinking.
Propaganda is a tool used by both side; let's not forget. I could accuse you of falling for the Israeli government propaganda, but I won't because it is a cheap shot.

If you say so.

Yes exactly. The idea that Hamas are suddenly fine with Jews, it's just Zionists they have a problem with is just total nonsense. Does anyone really believe this crap?!

That's not what I said at all, please don't exaggerate. It might be helpful to take some time to acquaint yourself with the definitions of whataboutery and deflection.

Obvious to anyone with a brain.

It might be helpful to take some time to acquaint yourself with the definition of being patronising.

Why? I already know what it means.

OK?

So, does anyone have any ideas on how we can challenge the incitement to or support of genocide of the Palestinian people when we encounter it?

I don’t understand what you are saying very well.

Are you saying that
a. because Jews living in modern Israel were persecuted where ever they lived in the diaspora over 2000 years before, they must not be allowed to be killed by threatening Arab countries now - which is what would happen if the U.S. refused to arm them?

but,

b. If the Jews use those arms to kill Palestinians and destroy Gaza and possibly the West Bank too if possible, that is ok because the Palestinians are not a separate race who were previously persecuted? ( Except by Israel.)

I may have misunderstood, but that does not seem to make sense to me. I agree with a. but not at all with b. .

Well, how do you challenge instances of people inciting, supporting or even openly celebrating the killing of Palestinians? Do you think enough is being done to challenge some of the anti-ceasefire, pro-violence, pro-occupation narratives being circulated?

No. I’m not talking about 2000 years ago. I’m talking about the history of the persecution of Jews over the course of history. God knows there are enough examples in the twentieth century quite apart from the Nazis, such as the pogroms in Eastern Europe or the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were forced out of Arab countries in the 1940s and 50s, countries where their families had lived for hundreds of years.

I was making the point that throughout history Jews have been persecuted in whatever countries they have lived in, just for being Jews. That is why they need a country where they are the majority.

The Gazan Palestinians have never been in the same situation. There are many other Arab Muslim countries. That's why it’s not the same.

I mean...they're being persecuted now. And for decades and decades by Israel. But now it's a genocide.

And it's totally irrelevant that other "Arab Muslim" countries exist. They're Palestinian. They have a right to live there and not be ethnically cleansed or murdered by Israel.

It is relevant because there is only one majority Jewish country in the world, which Jews needed because of their persecution in so many other countries, where they were minorities. And Israelis have a right to live in Israel and not be attacked, raped and murdered or threatened with the annihilation of their country by Hamas or their followers.

Do you honestly think that Hamas or the Palestinians would willingly accept a two-state solution?

Over half a century of persecution, forcible removal from their homes, genocidal rhetoric, denial of self-determination and their homeland... Surely these things should be unacceptable regardless of what religious group or ethnicity is suffering them. The existence of other Arab countries does not give justification for the erasure of Palestine and Palestinians.

"Other nationalities are available" type approaches are offensive. Would it be ok to tell a white Christian English person that it's ok for England to be occupied and denied its statehood because there are other countries where Christianity is the most prevalent religion and where there are lots of white people? If not, then why should it be deemed acceptable to say the equivalent to anyone of a different ethnicity, nationality and faith?

I just despair that this has to be explained over and over again. Very few people don't want to let Palestinians have a state. A very few extremists don't care about the human rights of Palestinians. Yet over and over we see people on these tjreads being so blase about calling Israelis colonisers and deligitimisng their right to a home where they have a chance of not being persecuted.

Who is denying Palestinians right to statehood? Who? The only people I come across on these threads who dont believe on a two state solution are those supporting 'from thd river to tje sea' for Palestinians & calling Israel colonisers.

@SharonEllis why do you always minimise? It is not true that very few people don't want the Palestinians to have a state. It was not very long ago - I believe only a month or so ago that the overwhelming majority of the Israeli knesset voted AGAINST the Palestinians having their own state.
Does @Miffylou honestly think that the Israeli government will willingly accept a two state solution when all they do is steal more land every month?