Has enough been done to tackle incitement to genocide?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze5w2wd4x0o

I’ll be interested to read your response to the hypothetical question I posed in my other post.

I don't think hypothetical questions are helpful.

But in your scenario the Israeli population would end up in the position the Gazan Palestinians are in now. But you're OK with that?

You haven’t answered the question.

But no, it would not be the same, because Gazan Palestinians are not a separate race who have been persecuted and murdered throughout history when they tried to live peacefully in countries where they were not a majority.

Their grievance is not with Jews, per se

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Rubbish

So the current situation is OK because in your opinion Palestinians haven't been persecuted in the same way as Jews. OK.

No I haven't answered the question around your fantasy scenario because I think it's pointless and offensive given that Gazans are experiencing a real life annihilation as we speak and ethnic cleansing continues in the West Bank.

I didn’t say the current situation is OK. I am on record as saying I loathe Netanyahu and disagree with the Israeli policy in Gaza and the West Bank. But you are simply refusing to acknowledge why Zionists feel the need for their own majority Jewish country.

I think we might be able to guess why you don’t want to answer my hypothetical question - you are aware how it would look if you answered it honestly.

This is utter nonsense. The region is the ancestral home of the Jewish people. There is no equivalence with the mormons. And yes they do have a problem with Jewish people.

You have been duped. Hamas have never apologised for, or publicly rejected, their founding charter, which had a number of mentions of the need to kill all Jews (and this was current at the time Jeremy Corbyn was calling their leaders his "friends"). They simply use the word "Zionist" now instead of "Jew", because it’s seen as more acceptable to "useful idiots". Would you feel the same about a group whose founding charter called for the death of all black people, and who never publicly rejected that aim?

But Palestinian children are still taught to hate all Jews, and some leaders still say things like this: in N April 2023 sermon, Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.”

They simply use the word "Zionist" now instead of "Jew", because it’s seen as more acceptable to "useful idiots"

Exactly this.

So Diasporic Jews will escape the notice of nasty antisemites as long as they're not Zionists? Well that's ok then! How well do you think that's been playing out in the last eleven months?

Hamas (assisted by Qatari resources) and the IRI spend an awful lot of time and money promoting antisemitic tropes and conspiracies about the filthy, lying, morally bankrupt 'Zionist entity' controlling the worldwide media, banks, education, medicine etc, considering they couldn't care less about them.

Anyone still denying that when Hamas and the IRI refer to Zionists, they mean Jews has seriously questionable motives and outlook. The 'Zionist state' is Israel. They want to dismantle Israel in its entirety, by any means necessary. This ideology is rooted in supremacy and Jew-hatred. Hamas may have taken the bit about killing all Jews out of their latest charter but that hasn't changed their meaning and intention, supported by the evidence that they keep killing Jews. Wake up.

I don't think religion should be involved in any state.

And I told you why I didn't answer. You can make up as many scenarios in your head as you like I guess if you don't like my answers.

You don’t think religion should be involved in any state. Shame all those Muslim states who expelled many hundreds of thousands of Jews, and confiscated their property, didn’t agree with you.

Others lived there too. Let's not erase them.

Yes, got to make sure that any discussion about the persecution of Jews and the attempts to eradicate their ancestral and current presence in Israel is subject to the correct measure of deflection and whataboutery.

You can be a Zionist without being Jewish. Zionism is a cultural and political movement, based on Theodore Herzl’s efforts to establish a Jewish state in the land of then called Palestine.
An interesting article explains his beliefs, some of them, frankly, beyond belief.
Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism. Not quite what you might imagine | Jewish Voice for Labour

You still haven't convinced me that Hamas don't hate and want to eradicate all jews

Obvious to who? Someone reading terrorist propaganda on the internet?

You don't agree that others lived there too? It's a fact, that's all, not a deflection or whataboutery. A fact, plain and simple.

They do. There are a great many speeches from Sinwar and Haniyeh stating exactly that. That’s why they rampaged through israel murdering people including lifelong peace activists. That’s why they fire rockets indiscriminately at Israeli targets.

Hamas are terrorists- extremely violent dangerous terrorists. Some people like to kid themselves that they are some sort of freedom fighters - they are either stupid or terminally antisemitic. These terrorists are utter psychopaths.

Exactly. I havent suggested erasing anyone. Only someone with no understanding of Israel past or present would suggest tjat a statement that Jews come from the region implies that other people dont. Anyone with a passing knowledge knows that many peoples originate there.