Is the current rioting in the UK linked to Gaza?

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Although the Southport killings were the trigger for rioting in the UK has the focused attention on Gaza including mass marches lead to a new sectarianism in the UK? I am not condoning mindless thuggery in any way but do we now have a situation where mainly Muslim Gaza supporters "squaring off' with EDL/extreme reform types.

How do you balance the right to expression and to assemble with what is becoming a challenging police operarion?

There several news articles about individual EDF thugs being found guilty and sent to prison, including mugshot.

I'll watch out for a similar article about the Birmingham perpetrators.

@statsfun here you go found you a link

Police have five investigations running - the arrest, the violent disorder, criminal damage caused to the pub, an incident involving Sky News and a car being chased and window smashed.

And this was the statement made which is certainly not wishy washy as suggested

In a statement, police said they were "working hard to find anyone that has been involved in this; and (our) message to you is that we will find you and we will arrest you".

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1jll4rk7w5o

We didn't have many arrests or issues at our local events in support of a ceasefire and peace. That was because we managed to, for the most part, conduct ourselves like civilised people and not engage in mindless violence, arson and looting.

All violent thugs and those promoting messages of hard should be dealt with equitably by the police. There also needs to be fair reporting.

The way anti semitism wasn't cracked down hard enough possibly has lead to a permissive atmosphere for hate speech generally and there needs to be thought about how to police these events as well as the question about what constitutes free speech and assembly.

Hopefully this will quiet down but there are some deep lying social fault lines that over time need smoothing over.

Given the apparent plan is to attack Synagogues in North Finchley later on today, no I don’t think this has anything to do with Gaza.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/planned-riots-london-birmingham-manchester-southport-stabbings-police-far-right-cobra-b1175111.html

I also read that a counter protestor had been arrested @Parkingt111

I hope everyone who is committing these offences is found and arrested, regardless of their beliefs.

I do feel sorry for the young people (mostly young angry men) who have been caught up in things here and acted stupidly. There should be some subsequent support in place to rehabilitate them and get to the bottom of why they felt the need to do this. That’s got to be good for everybody.

And it irks me that it is never recognised. Instead the “peace marchers” go out of the way to threaten and humiliate and attack us. The far right go out of the way to threaten and humiliate and attack us and any one else who they don’t like. I am just sick of it. And the posts on here so so so much hate against Jewish people always.

This 1000 times. Right and Left wing followers are as bad as each other.
Why is it ok for people to do this to Jewish people (usually using the pretext of 'Israel'?) This happened to us in Germany 100 years ago. My mother was a child there while this was happening and good Germans did nothing about it, just voted Hitler into power in 1933. Please don't say it can never happen here. We know our history and yes, it can happen again.

While MNHQ may get overwhelmed it needs to more closely monitor the antisemitism that is rife here. This thread is just one example and I've noticed that it boils down to a core group to point out Jew hate to the MN moderators.
This thread should have been deleted as it is one of the most goady I have seen recently.

Using Gaza as a pretext for protests on British streets the OP is falling into a trap and doing the work of all agitators who pour out their vitriol against Jewish people.

If i'm honest i think they are a bunch of idiots/thugs, totally shameful behaviour and I hope the lot of them are arrested. This sort of violence against innocent people is never justified, whoever is doing it.
There has been very vocal condemnation against the perpetrators in their local communities too and other members of the community have also gone to apologise and offer to pay for the damage.

https://crisis24.garda.com/alerts/2024/08/uk-further-anti-immigration-protests-and-counter-protests-likely-nationwide-through-early-august-update-4

A good summary of the security situation.

I think a question will be what symbolism the counter protectors will use at these rallies. I am hoping that sensible people we claim the union flag as a symbol of unity and tolerance for all people. The fear is aren't the counter protectors going to be torn between pro Palestinian marches and hope not hate events? Will the Palestinian flag become the symbol of counter protectors?.

Is there nothing that can just be about immigrants and Muslims and fucking stupid racists? Why would setting fire to a hotel in which asylum seekers are housed be anything to do with Gaza unless it's bring suggested the fire was started by some anti-Palestinians? Which it wasn't. It was started by racists EDL thugs. They don't much like Jewish people either...because they're racist thugs.

The way anti semitism wasn't cracked down hard enough possibly has lead to a permissive atmosphere for hate speech generally and there needs to be thought about how to police these events as well as the question about what constitutes free speech and assembly.

On this we can agree. Perhaps you could then explain why you entitled your original OP linking the current civil unrest with Gaza.

But it isn't OK? The government have pledged an extra 54million earlier this year to protect Jewish communities. People have been arrested and charged for antisemitism. Ceasefire protests are policed and monitored. There have been marches against antisemitism.

Equally using far right slogans is not OK, spreading myths that fan hatred whilst actual violent racist riots are happening is not OK.

Yes, in a roundabout way.

I have friends in London totally fed up with the pro Palestine marches. They are not always peaceful in some places and chant pro Hamas and anti semitic slogans.

Tbh I feel more sorry for my British mix race female colleague who has told me another colleague is giving her a lift home today because she lives in an area where protests are expected rather than these young men that are acting stupidly. Funny how I’m the immigrant and not her. And she’d be attacked before me

Jew hate is insidious. No matter how much money the government pledges (and that could change now that there is a new Chancellor who is pulling back cash wherever she can) it is an underlying problem, partly caused by the fact that Jews are one of the smallest minorities in the UK and are seen as 'different'.
On top of that (which is not a new problem by any means) Jewish people are now tied with Israel's policies, whether in agreement with them or not.

Is it really OK that when agitators drive through Finchley, a known Jewish area, waving Palestinian flags and yelling Fxxk Jews, none of them were brought to justice at all. Is it ok that yobs pull the yarmulke of a man's head or threaten children en route to school? Is it right that Muslim women pull off posters of the hostages outside London tube stations and nothing is done to stop them? Of course, it's not right, but it happens and Jews have to live with it, it seems.
Central London is taken over with pro Palestinian marches and no matter how many times it is said that these are 'peaceful' marches, to many Jews, they are not perceived as such.

So I reiterate my point from history that this is how things began in Germany when German Jews considerd themselves proud Germans before their Jewish identity in most cases. Here in the UK most Jews consider themselves true Brits. But they feel let down by the growth of antisemitism that is often violent in its expression. Where will it lead next?

These riots pose a very real risk to innocent people of all ethnic minorities, and have a strongly Anti-Muslim sentiment. People of all ethnicities, all around the country, are scared. They are scared of being beaten, attacked with weapons, trapped in buildings that are set on fire, etc.

Please stop dismissing and "what-about-ing" this.

Again who is saying that it is ok? The government and police certainly haven't said that. Both are acting on it. People have been arrested and prosecuted for antisemitism. Michael Gove delivered a speech against antisemitism. It's been made very clear that it's not OK.

Sadly there has been instances but police realistically cannot be at every lamppost protecting posters, it just isn't possible, just like sadly there have been attacks on Muslims where the police haven't been around at that moment to deal with it. Of course they will try and find the perpetrators and if found they will and have been prosecuted.

Pretending that nothing is being done, pretending that the government and police have sat by and watched antisemitism without doing anything, feeding into the far right myth of 'two tier' policing is wrong and inflammatory, especially right now.

Buddysbunda I am not saying nothing is being done, just explaining why Jewish people feel they are not being heard.
There were plenty of photos at the time of these women tearing down the posters of hostages. They could have been identified. Nothing was done. You really don't understand why this causes distress to Jewish people. Antisemitism is a real fear for Jewish people in Britain today. And please don't accuse me of 'feeding the right wing myth'! That is just insulting, especially right now. The left wing and right wing are two sides of the same coin where Jews are concerned.

Changes made since Rochdale grooming gangs yes great. It still happened though due to failure to act against a particular set of men. It happened. Let's hope it never happens again.

Perhaps this might be a good time for people to express support for the Muslims and other people being directly targeted by these current riots, then. Standing back and proclaiming 'two-tier policing' comes across as not really being bothered that people around the UK are being attacked by racist and Islamophobic rioters.

I personally fully support anyone of any race being targeted by these hateful rioters. It would be inhumane not to do so.

So you aren't saying that nothing was done but you are in the same post saying nothing was done? I'm not saying at all that it isn't currently distressing for minorities in the UK, it is clearly very distressing for all concerned.

I'm sorry I took your post full of 'is it OK' wrong, I thought you were making a point on policing like other posters, perhaps you can elaborate on what point you were making so I understand?

Likewise.
But I do agree that letting people shout Hamas slogans in the street has emboldened the far right.

Buddysbunda 'is it ok'? was a rhetorical question.
As far as I am concerned it is not right when people harass those who belong to a minority, desecrate their homes, places of worship and schools leaving said minorities in fear of their lives, are not prosecuted. All the rioters who are currently harassing people of minorities should have the book thrown at them. This should apply whether you are a POC, Sikh, Muslim or Jew etc.