Is the current rioting in the UK linked to Gaza?

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Although the Southport killings were the trigger for rioting in the UK has the focused attention on Gaza including mass marches lead to a new sectarianism in the UK? I am not condoning mindless thuggery in any way but do we now have a situation where mainly Muslim Gaza supporters "squaring off' with EDL/extreme reform types.

How do you balance the right to expression and to assemble with what is becoming a challenging police operarion?

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It's to do with 2 tier policing. Where were police in Birmingham? Remember when demonstrators uprooted statues and threw them in a river? Where were the police then? They were bending the knee to appease the protestors instead of stopping them from causing damage to public property. When Gaza mob projected racist slurs on Houses of Parliament the police stood by and did nothing, no arrest. I noticed the police used to turn a blind eye to the carnage caused by JSO but on their last outbreak they were arrested. The police need to be consistent and arrest all troublemakers, every time.

Where are the acts of violence in any of the things that you have referred to? Who on earth thinks removing a statue of a slave trader is comparable to desecrating Muslim graves, attacking asylum seeker accommodation or mosques? Are the slave traders experiencing harassment and hate?

5 Just stop oil protesters recieved the longest custodial sentences of any peaceful protesters in this country. Attacking the police and nonwhite people because of their race and inciting racial hatred are aggravated crimes. When these scum are brought to book they will rightly have the book thrown at them. There is no equivalence.

One person has already been arrested in less than 24 hours and investigations taking place into the other culprits. I don't believe this Is due to different people's perceptions on '2 tier policing'

Where were the police when muslims in Middlesbrough were having their homes smashed in? And muslims shops were being vandalised? And young children shouting P*s out at random people walking by.

There's many examples of incidents of disorder taking place in the last couple of days with police not present, they can't be everywhere straight away. There's even been violent behaviour and the police haven't made immediate arrests, i'm assuming they are following procedures on what is the best course of action in such a volatile environment. None of this is me blaming the police, they have such a difficult job right now, risking their safety to keep us safe.

I 💯 agree. There is no excuse for the violence and the intimidation of innocent members of the public. I’m not trying to justify it. I just think there is a hard core of thugs and an outer core of disaffected communities that have been ignored and neglected. It’s not a good combination.

That last bit should say there has been violent behaviour taking place infront of the police and they haven't immediately made arrests.

Limesodaagain

I’m not sure they are all yobs . There is a sense of disenfranchisement/ disaffection in some areas and there are multiple reasons why those communities might feel angry and neglected. Nothing to do with Gaza though. More to do with failure of government.

You’ve seen the coverage and you don’t classify them as yobs? Seriously?

Failure of Government though, absolutely agree. Conservative governments of the past 14 years

It baffles me how on one hand someone can say they are about peace and love and are against the far right yet they will choose to use their voice to amplify the latest catch phrase of the far right - two tier policing. Doing their work for them.

Couldn't agree more

More nonsense but no surprise

Well if you agree with spreading far right slogans then it is no surprise you think my post is nonsense. Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable repeating the message of Farage and Tommy Robinson but if you are...

Like most things, context is everything.

A lot of Jewish people feel very let down by how they have been treated recently in the UK and how their worries and concerns have been dismissed

Oh behave! Some of you are so disingenuous with your cherry-picking

You know fine well she wasn't "amplifying" the far right's message. It's pretty obvious she was referring to the lack of policing of antisemites, and if you have a problem with that then it says WAY more about you than it does her.

@Buddysbunda well call it what you want. It’s unfair policing and the far left and far right are closer than you think.

I've been really surprised how this is all being reported in the media with all riots always being described as EDL and far-right, even when it's non-white thugs like the Birmingham ones.

I can only imagine that they're trying to reduce tension, but I think it's a mistake. It just makes people suspicious that they're being deliberately misled, and assume that even more is being hidden that they don't know about.

It's really critical for the justice system to not only be fair but also be perceived as fair. It's what makes people willing to give up their own retribution for crimes committed against them: that they believe the justice system will do it for them.

The police/government need to be getting information out there about how all violent groups are being stopped, and say what arrests are happening.

Instead of just vaguely hand-wafting about misinformation, they need to get genuine information - and I mean numbers - out there to stop the accusations.

I agree with the police need to arrest trouble makers whenever or wherever. Current riots, destroying statues, intimidating Jewish people, blocking roads. It appears that the police stand and watch some and turn a blind eye (as with the pro Palestine marches) but are tougher on others (as they should be). These riots are just thugs and need stopping.

Remember the grooming gangs went unprosecuted for a long time for fear of upsetting some communities. That's documented in the enquiry.

Absolutely. I think what a lot of us on here want is both sides to be treated equally robustly....

It seems to me that the far right (and the people they manipulate) seek to excuse their behaviour by claiming they are being treated unfairly, as if they should be allowed to go around intimidating people with violence.

If someone truly believes there is two tier policing at work here, then it would be better that they didn’t use it to justify violence, and instead provided robust examples of where comparative damage has been done and it has been allowed.

What I see is the pendulum returning more to the centre, and people not liking it. Imagine how Muslim communities and immigrants (and people that support human rights), have felt under a Conservative government that sought to openly demonise them and encouraged the public to do the same. Did you care about that? Or do you only care about excusing this violence and using it as a political football?

Any thoughts for the people being impacted by this violence????

Well said!

Both sides of what?

The rioters and the victims of the riots?

When people are committing offences, they should face consequences. Being from an ethnic minority, or having a different faith or culture, is not an offence. Setting fire to shops, stamping on people's heads, and assaulting police dogs are offences.

I don't think anyone is objecting to the EDL thugs being arrested and sent to prison for their violence. That should absolutely happen.

I haven't heard of any arrests of the knife-wielding. masked thugs who attacked news crews, cars and a pub in Birmingham on Monday night. Instead, the Home Office minister tweeted. “It is misinformation being spread to create trouble."

All violent thugs should be stopped. If they are all being stopped, then the police/government would do well to make that clear.

Not by wafting vaguely about misinformation - which is blatantly trying to manipulate people by suggesting that only stupid, racist people would fall for misinformation. By actually being open about what happened and what they're doing about it.

@statsfun

I agree

@statsfun there has been atleast one arrest made and the police have said they are looking into the other culprits and investigating the disorder
It was on both sky and bbc so not sure how you haven't seen it

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-41451154.html

This article explains why your post is wrong. It explains the changes that have happened since Rochdale to make sure it doesn't happen again and it explains how the Ceasefire marches were observed and monitored and while there were pockets of disorder, the vast majority of those who attended did so peacefully. There were arrests and prosecutions but those who stayed within the law and were respectful were rightly allowed to protest.

All of these nodding dogs pretending to be against the far right whilst doing their job of spreading hate and division.

Quite obviously I wasn't suggesting being an ethnic minority is an offence.

When I say both sides I'm referring to left wing thugs and right wing thugs