Is the current rioting in the UK linked to Gaza?

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Although the Southport killings were the trigger for rioting in the UK has the focused attention on Gaza including mass marches lead to a new sectarianism in the UK? I am not condoning mindless thuggery in any way but do we now have a situation where mainly Muslim Gaza supporters "squaring off' with EDL/extreme reform types.

How do you balance the right to expression and to assemble with what is becoming a challenging police operarion?

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I think it is linked in so far as it has allowed islamophobia to be normalised and it has allowed people to see how far they can push their open hatred. Just look at how it is has escalated on mumsnet, ceasefire marches allowed to be called 'hate marches' framing Muslims as being full of hatred not looking for peace, the fact that people are allowed to label anyone who shows support for Palestinians as 'Hamas supporters' or 'terrorist supporters' for example artists at Glastonbury thereby equating Palestinians or Muslims with terrorists, the threads that excused the killings of Muslim children like the ones about the premature babies or the boy who was executed in the West Bank they were almost gleeful in places at these deaths and there have been times on this board that there has been gloating about Muslim deaths. There is a post on this board saying that Muslims celebrate the deaths of their children and that has been allowed to stand by mumsnet.

All this is echoed across the Internet. It
has been allowed to stand, it has been allowed to be pushed further and further until it is not just coming out in sly digs and smirks but unadulterated hate that has spilled over into 'real life' . So I do think it is connected in a way, it has emboldened that racists, it has allowed them to get the message out there that Muslims are hate filled terrorists, it has allowed the gloating and celebration of their deaths and the lack of response to Muslim deaths by Western leaders and in some cases the support of it has further fueled the people who think that they deserve it.

they were almost gleeful in places at these deaths and there have been times on this board that there has been gloating about Muslim deaths

Ive never seen this on here or anywhere actually.

It's great that you haven't, unfortunately I have.

ceasefire marches allowed to be called 'hate marches

Perhaps if there wasn't so much anti semetic filth being spouted at these marches....

Great post

There was some that was handled by the police and quite loudly condemned. As you know though it was a very small portion of very large ceasefire marches. It isn't OK to label Israel as a nasty, racist, hate filled place, full of rape apologists who want to starve children because some Israelis trash aid trucks and protest against rapists being charged and call for the total destruction of gaza. That is fanning hatred and division, the same thing applies to protests. It is taking a minority view and twisting it for your own agenda.

But surely if they were ceasefire marches as you called them, there would also be protesters on them calling for the release of the hostages?

I'm not sure you understand what a ceasefire would involve.

Quite a few posters on this thread are happy to do that 😬

So a ceasefire deal doesn't/shouldn't include the release of hostages?

The calls for their release has never been at the forefront of any Pro-Palestinian march.

Absolutely, and there has been a group of (some now ex) Conservative politicians who instead of promoting unity, opted to try and increase their own standing by demonising sections of society, and encouraged this.

I think it is pertinent that the timing of the misinformation about the terrible attack on those little girls and their teachers, and the subsequent disorder (and potential terrorism), has coincided with the change to a more central left government, everything that goes with that, and the legitimisation of trouble maker, and now MP (God help us) Nigel Farage.

The extreme right may feel like they are losing their grip, while being emboldened to take action.

That's an odd conclusion to jump to from my post. I'm not sure I've ever seen ceasefire but Hamas keeps the hostages suggested before.

No. It's a bunch of racist idiots op. I doubt they've ever read a newspaper. So probably unaware of foreign affairs.

I don’t think the riots had anything to do with Gaza originally… but unfortunately the disaffected (infected with toxic online rhetoric ) will be happy to use any excuse for thuggery.

I think there is an argument that the months of Gaza protests have lead to a polarisation in British aociety. You seem to be either pro Palestinaian or judge as part of the problem of you take a more nuanced view.

Ultimately the waving of the Palestinian flag in these times may be seen as a show of Islamic unity that transcends what we need, national unity. I said before the perfect counter protest is for British Muslims to use the England flag to state symbolically we are all part of this great country England. We are UK citizens no matter our race or ethnicity and to my mind this is important.

By continually displaying the Paelstinian colours it may be seen by some as another p.p phrased it, deliberate othering.

I absolutely think the far right need combating but remember their enemy is both Jew and Muslim alike in their warped ideology.Thanks why national unity is imprtant .

I think there is an argument that the months of Gaza protests have lead to a polarisation in British society
You must have been asleep for the last 10 years. Polarisation and division in British society has not happened in the past 10 months it's been years in the making.

You seem to have a major issue with the Palestinian flag being waved at counter protests but no issue with the Israeli flag being waved at riots.

I absolutely think the far right need combating but remember their enemy is both Jew and Muslim alike in their warped ideology.Thanks why national unity is imprtant .
This I can agree with but your thread is doing the exact opposite. The majority of posters see no link, or a very tenuous one, between the riots and Gaza so why not end this thread of further division and get it taken down.

i think Brexit and the consequences of brexit have had a bigger impact of the differences in the British society. But I won’t be the one trying to change your mind.

Fuck all to do do with Gaza and sweet FA to do with the horrific murders of three innocent little souls in Southport.
Everything to do with yobs looking for a punch up and a chance to throw a brick or two at the police.

The England flag does not represent all of us. The UK is more than just England. But if you want to see a bunch of Muslims waving Scotland flags, just come up to our next Indy rally.

I’m not sure they are all yobs . There is a sense of disenfranchisement/ disaffection in some areas and there are multiple reasons why those communities might feel angry and neglected. Nothing to do with Gaza though. More to do with failure of government.

British Jews support the EDL and the Nazis love the Jews. What a crock of total shit. Who makes this shit up. I’m sure you can find someone if you really try but honestly it’s a nonsense. Far right racist and fascist groups are not friends to Jewish people.

These thugs and domestic terrorists are doing in for the women and girls? I did a quick google as there is a known link between the far right and violence against women and girls. Here is a quick cut and paste from the first results for convicted pedophiles in National Action/ EDL: Jack Renshaw, Richard Price, Robert Ewing, Ryan Flemming, Leigh Mcmillan, Brett Moses, John Broomfield. You will get different names if you add rapist or domestic violence as a search term. Oh and what do Women’s Aid think of the notion - oh yeah?
https://www.womensaid.org.uk/womens-aid-issues-further-comment-on-the-escalation-of-islamophobic-and-race-riots/

This has got nothing to do with anything other than racism, thuggery a few cans of Aces 8 and ease of access to cocaine. How dare these scum hijack the tragedy in Southport to further their disgusting behaviour and attitudes.

I'd say anyone lobbing bricks at police dogs, setting fire to libraries and assaulting innocent members of the public is probably within the definition of "a yob". Doesn't matter how disenfranchised or angry someone feels, that sort of thing isn't ok, whatever a person's politics, faith or ethnicity.

What a crock of shit this thread is.

This is the result of right wing rhetoric over years, emboldening the gullible and disenfranchised, and normalising their barely concealed racism.

It's sad. The likes of Farage using these people for political ends, with no consequences for themselves.

Tale as old as time.