Is the current rioting in the UK linked to Gaza?

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Although the Southport killings were the trigger for rioting in the UK has the focused attention on Gaza including mass marches lead to a new sectarianism in the UK? I am not condoning mindless thuggery in any way but do we now have a situation where mainly Muslim Gaza supporters "squaring off' with EDL/extreme reform types.

How do you balance the right to expression and to assemble with what is becoming a challenging police operarion?

The riots ? I very much doubt they care about British females.

No, I think it’s linked to long term discontent, with the failed promises from brexit, blaming everything on illegal immigrants, successive disastrous governments (and disastrous opposition), failing health service, all reaching tipping point with the recent horrific murder of the little girls.

But don't you think that's a problem? A minority deliberately othering themselves from the rest of society. Especially when there have been high-profile instances like Rotherham where the 'othering' of white, non-Muslim girls made them legitimate targets in those monsters' eyes. And that the superiority and eventual dominance of Islam is common rhetoric amongst Islamists. (Not all Muslims: Islamists. But there are enough high-profile, vocal Islamists that it matters)

I think the increase in direct action over the last few years, and social acceptance of aggression from protestors - including people being aggressive to MPs for not being ideologically pure enough in their stance on Gaza - has absolutely fed into the riots.

So has the perception of 2-tier policing, which has been fed by the Gaza protests.

The police should absolutely arrest violent rioters who break the law. I'm glad that hundreds have already been arrested. Violence and law-breaking are completely unacceptable.

They must also arrest violent counter-protestors who break the law. Maybe they have - in which case I think it's a mistake to brush that under the carpet in an attempt to 'massage the narrative' and pretend there weren't any.

Masked thugs causing vandalism, yobs hurting police officers, sharing misinformation on social media to cause chaos is disgusting.

There a a group of men who pop up often in pictures, they instigate and encourage this and thick people join in.

Watch them cry in court when caught. Stupid ignorant cowards.

The word SOME always gets ignored doesn't it? if this protest is about gaza as OP wants to suggest, then who are the two main groups of people it's about? Muslims and...?
Nobody here shares the opinions of that far right parliament? Not what im seeing online or in the press. Or nobody flew over there to join in with the IDF that is acting on those extreme far right racist opinions?

See how we can't mention the Israeli flags at the protests, as I said without it being called 'blaming the Jews?'
Obviously it's a small minority. But don't let's pretend it doesn't exist.

Some of the people rioting and supporting the riots actively want to sexually assault British women and girls, so I doubt our wellbeing is high up on their lists of priorities.

I agree anyone nk matter what colour or religion should be arrested for inciment, criminal damage or assault etc.

So in short : no, the riots have nothing to do with Gaza.

But they are related to social division, which has been aggravated by Gaza.

He makes a really big show of it. Yes they're fools, they'll be turned on eventually when he decides someone else is to blame for everything wrong in the world.

gaza is only one reason, there are many more and some of them have created a bigger social division.
in Spain there is far right and there are protests pro Palestine every now and then in several places as well. There is division but not because of Gaza. But because the far right hates immigrants and any XXI values and they’d prefer if we all lived in caverns or like in war times when the far right was in govern.

I did hear an opinion linking Gaza/Palestine and the riots, actually. Possibly not in the way the OP is imagining though. Someone expressed that, having seen how Israel is being supported to "deal with their Muslim problem", they felt the UK could be taking a "firmer stance". Basically, why can't they wipe us out or send us to places abroad that can then be treated in the same way as Gaza and the West Bank...

That is the kind of thing some people at these riots and some people supporting them want to see happen to other people. They've seen other people 'get away with' atrocities so now think that's kind of ok to talk about doing to others.

To the people looking away or trying to justify or minimise this, I'd remind those people that this won't stop at 'just' us. Hate like this spreads like a virus through society. Unless stopped, there'll be some other group after us, and another group after that, and after that... The people these rioters are attacking today are your neighbours, members of your community, your healthcare professionals, cafe owners, business owners, teachers and maybe even your friends.

This is not protest. This is lawless thuggery and verging on terrorism in the opinions of some senior police officials.

You make a really good point. Imagine if they could highlight all the men in both crowds with a history of VAW how many would it be. Shocking amounts I bet.
Was it you that made a thread about the violence against women going up during the world Cup? Not a nice image. And worse I didn't even give it a though until you said that.
I bet if a study was done when this calms down the services destroyed by rioters would be found to be ones predominantly used by women too

Hate like this spreads like a virus through society. Unless stopped, there'll be some other group after us, and another group after that, and after that...

This

I think the previous governments obsession with stopping the boats has played a huge role. Kind of legitimised this sort of thinking imo and made it appear mainstream rather than extreme.

This basically. The government should have more publicly said that what is happening in Gaza is appalling. It knew full well how this would fuel community tensions over here that were already strained.

This is just such utter nonsense.

I'm a British secular Jew....I obviously can't speak for everyone, but you'll usually find vast majority of British Jews are highly educated and often quite socially liberal. Certainly not the type of person to align themselves with far right thugs. I have never once heard a fellow Jewish person spout any hatred towards Muslims.

The far right are currently enjoying pretending they love the Jews...they don't, they've just decided that they marginally prefer them to Muslims. Most Jewish people are horrified by this.

Yes this. They are violent racist things who hate. Suggesting they have some cause behind their hate and violence is giving them far too much credit. They are knuckle dragging pond life.

Definitely, they were spouting far right rhetoric for years which has stirred things up.

The far right are currently enjoying pretending they love the Jews...they don't,

Agree with this but they definitely idolise Netanyahu and the IDF and their tactics for solving the Muslim problem.

This too, that Rwanda thing was batshit

Yes, I was just thinking this too. I have seen a huge amount of criticism for Labour over immigration when they have hardly been in power a minute.

The far right are currently enjoying pretending they love the Jews...they don't, they've just decided that they marginally prefer them to Muslims. Most Jewish people are horrified by this.

Exactly this

The Telegraph has run article stating Russia fueling misinformation re these riots. Previously France's Macron slammed Israeli minister for backing far right. Iran was to be said to be behind pro palestinian protests. So possibly foreign influence behind disinformation against Muslim. Could it be Israel this time, fueling disinformation. But Israel won't be accused, as they are the good guys along with UK and America.

I don't know about Israel but Russia are definitely involved in fueling division in western societies. A study into the IP addresses and sm accounts fueling the Dublin riots and anti immigrant demonstrations in Ireland has shown they come mainly from Russia and the US

Go and Google israels propaganda budget and interference in foreign politics. Its not exactly a secret.