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This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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ScrollingLeaves · 03/09/2024 21:01

The Israelis are not occupying the West Bank, it is their ancestral homeland.

The Palestinians are - how shall I put this - a bunch of goat-fucking nomadic Bedouin tribes who do not constitute a people in anyway.

(From the “Two Jewish ……” Podcast thread reader posted earlier)

Dontmeantooffendbut · 03/09/2024 21:04

yes there are but on both sides war is hell but dont forget who started this

Mellowdramadrama · 03/09/2024 21:06

BelleHathor · 03/09/2024 19:17

They said the quiet part out loud, a few Israeli's (like Ori Goldberg) have been warning about how a lot of Israeli's really feel about Palestinians and what that means for the future of Israel. It helps make sense of all the "qualified" "I'm sorry about Gaza, but...." statements on this board.

Here is a thread with other shocking things from the podcast:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1830964221183697155.html

https://x.com/c_of_darkness/status/1830964221183697155

Bloody hell! Can't believe what I'm seeing. Is this real??

Mellowdramadrama · 03/09/2024 21:08

ScrollingLeaves · 03/09/2024 21:01

The Israelis are not occupying the West Bank, it is their ancestral homeland.

The Palestinians are - how shall I put this - a bunch of goat-fucking nomadic Bedouin tribes who do not constitute a people in anyway.

(From the “Two Jewish ……” Podcast thread reader posted earlier)

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Isn't this hate speech illegal? How do they get away with it?

Dontmeantooffendbut · 03/09/2024 21:12

Hamas just executed six hostages and the Palestinians are complicit by voting for Hamas all that money that has been given to the Palestinians from the United Nations and other groups to make the Palestinians lives better has been spent on weapons and tunnels, there will be no peace until Hamas has been defeated.

Scirocco · 03/09/2024 21:15

Mellowdramadrama · 03/09/2024 21:08

Isn't this hate speech illegal? How do they get away with it?

It's not considered particularly unacceptable to say such things against Palestinians, sadly. This is what happens when people feel empowered to say the quiet part out loud.

Years ago, I was having dinner round at a friend's house when another guest started talking quite comfortably about shooting and severely injuring Palestinian civilians. How the bonus for him had been getting paid for it when he would have done it for free. This level of hatred and disdain for the lives of innocent people is not a new development. Fortunately, the guest was swiftly advised that this kind of thing was not welcome, but it's normalised enough that it was considered to pass the dinner table test of acceptability.

Scirocco · 03/09/2024 21:19

Dontmeantooffendbut · 03/09/2024 21:12

Hamas just executed six hostages and the Palestinians are complicit by voting for Hamas all that money that has been given to the Palestinians from the United Nations and other groups to make the Palestinians lives better has been spent on weapons and tunnels, there will be no peace until Hamas has been defeated.

Of course. The average age of Palestinians means the voting population at the last free elections in Gaza must have included toddlers, babies and the twinkle in the milkman's eye if we're going to hold the current civilian population responsible for the crimes of the terrorist organisation that seized power and then prevented free elections in order to retain that power.

ConnieCounter · 03/09/2024 21:23

The hate speech issue is a good question. It seems that Israel must have very weak or no laws protecting people from hate speech or genocidal rhetoric. Or Palestinians at least. Does anyone have any information on this?

EasterIssland · 03/09/2024 21:32

Dontmeantooffendbut · 03/09/2024 21:12

Hamas just executed six hostages and the Palestinians are complicit by voting for Hamas all that money that has been given to the Palestinians from the United Nations and other groups to make the Palestinians lives better has been spent on weapons and tunnels, there will be no peace until Hamas has been defeated.

Do you know whether Hind voted Hamas in?

Mellowdramadrama · 03/09/2024 21:34

ConnieCounter · 03/09/2024 21:23

The hate speech issue is a good question. It seems that Israel must have very weak or no laws protecting people from hate speech or genocidal rhetoric. Or Palestinians at least. Does anyone have any information on this?

Palestinians in Israel and the west bank can get arrested for even liking instagram posts that Israel disapprove of.
Hate speech against Palestinians is the norm for some Israeli ministers, so now that I think about it.. probably not.

Mellowdramadrama · 03/09/2024 21:36

@EasterIssland best to ignore.. that poster is just attempting to deflect from the shocking racist podcast that has just been exposed.

EasterIssland · 03/09/2024 21:52

“If you gave me a button to just erase Gaza, every single living being in Gaza would no longer be living tomorrow, I would press it in a second.”

https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1831038760521232571

x.com

https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/1831038760521232571

ScrollingLeaves · 03/09/2024 22:06

ConnieCounter · 03/09/2024 21:23

The hate speech issue is a good question. It seems that Israel must have very weak or no laws protecting people from hate speech or genocidal rhetoric. Or Palestinians at least. Does anyone have any information on this?

Hate speech aside, I am surprised the government allows it given how appalling it makes Israelis appear especially during these sensitive times. It hardly makes David Lammy today seem wrong, for example.

(I am sure there are many Israelis who are shocked by it too.)

EasterIssland · 03/09/2024 22:09

ScrollingLeaves · 03/09/2024 22:06

Hate speech aside, I am surprised the government allows it given how appalling it makes Israelis appear especially during these sensitive times. It hardly makes David Lammy today seem wrong, for example.

(I am sure there are many Israelis who are shocked by it too.)

Taking into account that some of the Israeli members speak like that … doubt they’d ban it

BelleHathor · 03/09/2024 22:09

This is where the inaction of International bodies and politicians staying silent and allowing the Palestinians to be dehumanised so openly, so completely and so wholly has got us, these so called 2 lovely fellas openly advocating for sick, unthinkable things. Due to the backlash they may try and play it off as "just joking" but a show usually has an editor, a producer etc. Many people would have seen this and they still felt comfortable enough to click publish.

When this started in October a geopolitical analyst warned that true friends of Israel would have to reign her anger in, lest she go crazy with vengeance. True friends tell the truth, no matter how uncomfortable. By staying silent these are the kind of things that will be associated with parts of Israeli society forever.

BelleHathor · 03/09/2024 22:19

On Ori Goldberg, he is an excellent follow based in Israel. Scrolling through his timeline you can really feel his exasperation as he realises that some people in his society have completely gone crazy with vengeance.
From yesterday:
1/ What is happening in Israel today? We should begin with what is not happening. Very few are calling for an end to the genocidal campaign in Gaza that is spilling over into the West Bank. We don't care about the Palestinians and fail to connect their plight to ours. --->
2/ Israel declared this war as having two goals: Destroying Hamas (all sorts of qualifications were added later as Hamas failed to be destroyed) and the return of the hostages. Most of us believed these goals to be commensurate, perhaps even complementary. --->
3/ The illusion of complementarity snapped yesterday, with the discovery of 6 dead hostages in a Rafah tunnel. Assuming they had been killed by Hamas, they were shot minutes before an IDF force raiding the tunnel arrived on the scene. Our offensive was killing the hostages. --->
4/ A major aspect of our murderous solipsism was the conviction that when we act in the interests of our "security" we can do no harm. At the heart of our axiomatic sense of supremacy lies the notion that saving Jewish lives trumps (pun intended) everything else. --->
5/ Because we believe ourselves to be the only real people (certainly in the region and maybe even in the world) we consider our continued existence to be a moral imperative. If we don't exist, nothing exists. "Security" (saving Jewish lives) is therefore sacred to us. --->
6/ We held on to this lie for 75 years (and 11 months). We held on to it so intensely that we could not articulate it to save our lives. It was the cornerstone of our existence. What we discovered is that "Security" can also kill us and not as a necessary sacrifice. --->
7/ The six hostages died a perfectly preventable death. Three of them could have been released months ago, had Israel agreed to a deal it had proposed and Hamas had accepted. They died because security had become synonymous with genocide and both countermanded life. --->
8/Of course, we can't actually say or think that. We still support "the war". We don't see any other option. We will "fight" until they stop, and we will tell them when they have stopped. It has been months since we proudly declared our total lack of empathy. They started. --->
9/ But we are now aware of the fact that our hallowed existence may be threatened by our Security. It is bewildering. Today's protests have taken many forms but most of them reflect confusion. We swore by Security because we thought it apolitical. What do we swear by now? --->
10/ This, I think, is unprecedented for us. Security - the notion that our lives mean more and that protecting them inculcates us against censure and repercussions - was our transparent point of origin. Without this illusion sustaining us we can sense madness in the cards. --->
11/ Needless to say, we are already mad. But this is deeper than sectarian strife that only maintains the illusion of morality, pitting "good" versus "bad". We are beginning to understand that we are patient zero. We can glimpse, at times, the walls of the asylum.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1830558841013952570.html

Thread by @ori_goldberg on Thread Reader App

@ori_goldberg: 1/ What is happening in Israel today? We should begin with what is not happening. Very few are calling for an end to the genocidal campaign in Gaza that is spilling over into the West...…

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1830558841013952570.html

PeasfullPerson · 04/09/2024 10:03

Buthaina Subeh is a mother that risks her life to support other women, all she asks is that that you raise your voice loudly.

We want to live a normal life among our children in safety, planning for the future. As women of Gaza, we have been completely destroyed psychologically. We have no dreams, no hopes. We only wish to stay alive: us and our children.

To women all over the world I say: form alliances and raise your voice loudly in order to stop the war and to respect human dignity.’

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/sep/04/gaza-is-hell-for-aid-workers-and-it-is-doubly-difficult-if-you-are-a-woman

Gaza is hell for aid workers – and it is doubly difficult if you are a woman | Buthaina Subeh

Gaza is now the world’s deadliest place for aid workers, who are providing urgent care to 1.9 million internally displaced Palestinians. Many have lost loved ones themselves yet continue to support others despite the risk, says Buthaina Subeh of the We...

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/sep/04/gaza-is-hell-for-aid-workers-and-it-is-doubly-difficult-if-you-are-a-woman

anotherlevel · 04/09/2024 10:37

ConnieCounter · 03/09/2024 19:04

https://x.com/archivegenocide/status/1830886518040285575?t=g53hAIhJwViXPIj4G_pO0w&s=19

I presume the podcast name is ironic because these people are c**ts.

Shocking and scumbags.

Scirocco · 04/09/2024 11:28

For people who don't like clicking on links, here's a picture.

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)
BelleHathor · 04/09/2024 11:49

ConnieCounter · 04/09/2024 11:24

It's really becoming a fuck you to everyone, the whole world is watching and still the IDF continues unabated and unashamed.

Dulra · 04/09/2024 11:54

Scirocco · 04/09/2024 11:28

For people who don't like clicking on links, here's a picture.

Disgusting more war crimes. So now parents will not feel safe bringing their kids to these vaccination centers and who'd blame them they're sitting ducks.

EasterIssland · 04/09/2024 12:33

Dulra · 04/09/2024 11:54

Disgusting more war crimes. So now parents will not feel safe bringing their kids to these vaccination centers and who'd blame them they're sitting ducks.

Don’t think Israel / IDF had thought that well. If Palestinians are scared to take their kids to vaccination and they don’t take it polio will spread. Not only within Palestine but neighbouring countries… wonder which country is near Palestine and at risk of Polio

anotherlevel · 04/09/2024 15:18

Scirocco · 04/09/2024 11:28

For people who don't like clicking on links, here's a picture.

seeming to be kind and well-meaning while secretly planning their murder

anotherlevel · 04/09/2024 15:21

anotherlevel · 04/09/2024 15:18

seeming to be kind and well-meaning while secretly planning their murder

The same government who were so kind to distribute leaflets requesting them to go to a designated safe area only to be bombed afterwards. Yup they’re so kind, caring and thoughtful.