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Conflict in the Middle East

This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 4)

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Eyesopenwideawake · 09/07/2024 18:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/07/09/israel-gaza-hamas-hospitals/

I see the old thread is sadly almost full. I wonder how many of these I will start? 😢

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I’ve the feeling you’re getting the wrong message from this thread as nobody has said that Jewish people are overall awful.

illegal settlers, yes they’re awful. Not because they’re Jewish but because they’re committing crimes.
idf members ? Many are awful. Not because they’re Jewish but because they’re committing crimes.
Israel government ? They’re awful , not because they’re Jewish. But because they’re committing crimes.

hostages aren’t released because hamas doesn’t want to. Agreed on that. But also cuz nentanhayu is more worried about doing politics Than about caring about them (few days ago he presented a map of the future Israel where the West Bank was not displayed).

EasterIssland · 04/09/2024 23:16

Regarding hamas not wanting to release the hostages but Israel PM not wanting either

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The Hostages Families Forum said this weekend that “the finding of the bodies yesterday is a direct result of Netanyahu’s thwarting of the deals.”
On July 25, a senior US Administration official told CNN that negotiators were “closer than we’ve ever been” and that it was “up to the Israelis to accept it.”

Yedioth Ahronoth reported that rather than accepting that proposal, the Israeli negotiators submitted new demands, making changes to the proposals they themselves had originally made.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/04/middleeast/netanyahu-derailed-hostage-deal-in-july-intl/index.html

Netanyahu derailed a potential Gaza hostage deal in July, Israeli newspaper reports | CNN

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in July effectively spiked a draft hostage and ceasefire deal by introducing a raft of new, 11th-hour demands, according to a report by the Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth citing a document it obtained.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/04/middleeast/netanyahu-derailed-hostage-deal-in-july-intl/index.html

Dulra · 05/09/2024 08:22

EasterIssland · 04/09/2024 23:16

Regarding hamas not wanting to release the hostages but Israel PM not wanting either

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The Hostages Families Forum said this weekend that “the finding of the bodies yesterday is a direct result of Netanyahu’s thwarting of the deals.”
On July 25, a senior US Administration official told CNN that negotiators were “closer than we’ve ever been” and that it was “up to the Israelis to accept it.”

Yedioth Ahronoth reported that rather than accepting that proposal, the Israeli negotiators submitted new demands, making changes to the proposals they themselves had originally made.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/04/middleeast/netanyahu-derailed-hostage-deal-in-july-intl/index.html

Yedioth Ahronoth reported that rather than accepting that proposal, the Israeli negotiators submitted new demands, making changes to the proposals they themselves had originally made.

This has been happening from day one. It is obvious to everyone with their eyes open, they don't want a deal, a deal would mean stopping their offensive they may not get this opportunity again I worry they see it as now or never to get rid of Gaza

ScrollingLeaves · 05/09/2024 22:19

Scirocco · 05/09/2024 21:24

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/05/scientists-death-disease-gaza-polio-vaccinations-israel

Opinion piece by Professor Sridhar, chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh.

They estimate that about 186,000 total deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza, which is roughly 7.9% of its population, by mid-June 2024
This high number is despite various ceasefire agreements over the past six months. If deaths continue at this rate – about 23,000 a month – there would be an additional 149,500 deaths by the end of the year, some six and half months from the initial mid-June estimate. Using the method, the total deaths since the conflict began would be estimated at about 335,500 in total.

That is so much higher than thought.

BelleHathor · 05/09/2024 22:36

That's the figure that diplomats are privately acknowledging behind closed doors at the UN according to some journalists I follow.
I said months ago that when the true extent of the atrocities is revealed there's going to be an extreme amount of anger. I also think part of the reason Netanyahu doesn't want to end the conflict is that he is clever enough to know once independent International observers confirm the extent and barbarity of what occurred the backlash will be extensive. In America even staunch MAGAs are starting to turn against Trump due to his position on the war.

ToBeDetermined · 05/09/2024 22:41

ScrollingLeaves · 05/09/2024 22:19

They estimate that about 186,000 total deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza, which is roughly 7.9% of its population, by mid-June 2024
This high number is despite various ceasefire agreements over the past six months. If deaths continue at this rate – about 23,000 a month – there would be an additional 149,500 deaths by the end of the year, some six and half months from the initial mid-June estimate. Using the method, the total deaths since the conflict began would be estimated at about 335,500 in total.

That is so much higher than thought.

The important thing is that deaths attributable to a conflict still happen months and years after the war ends when they do these estimates. They calculate things like:

  • premature deaths due to amputations/injury complications
  • deaths due to untreated cancers, and other chronic conditions like liver failure, diabetes, asthma
  • deaths due to malnutrition months later
  • suicides & homicides from PTSD as much as years later.

So it’s not just deaths during a war, but attributable to a war.

ToBeDetermined · 05/09/2024 22:44

BelleHathor · 05/09/2024 22:36

That's the figure that diplomats are privately acknowledging behind closed doors at the UN according to some journalists I follow.
I said months ago that when the true extent of the atrocities is revealed there's going to be an extreme amount of anger. I also think part of the reason Netanyahu doesn't want to end the conflict is that he is clever enough to know once independent International observers confirm the extent and barbarity of what occurred the backlash will be extensive. In America even staunch MAGAs are starting to turn against Trump due to his position on the war.

Thank you that is very interesting.
I do think the current death toll is a very optimistic estimate.

BelleHathor · 05/09/2024 23:04

As predicted, statement that the video was taken out of context, then some very strange doubling down. I'm guessing there must be a shortage of PR/Reputation agents available or their manager just does not like them. It's heartening that the tweet only got 64 likes from 1.1 million views.
There's quite a bit of chatter going on about some comments made on the podcast recently. We want to properly address that:

Firstly, the video circulating was taken out of context.

In the original recording, we made it very clear that we did NOT call for the genocide of the Palestinians; we were making a larger point about the fact that most Jewish Israelis do not care about the cost in civilian casualties on the Palestinian side required in order to secure the Jewish homeland.

Within that context, we entertained a hypothetical situation that would rid Israel of the imminent threat posed by our Palestinian enemies who OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT HAMAS and wish to kill us all - and would gladly go for another October 7th the moment they get their chance. Obviously, that hypothetical "button" doesn't exist.

When having to consider how to deal with the Palestinians in reality - things are more complex and nuanced. But that doesn't change the fact that when on the scale are our lives and safety OR the lives of our enemies - in this scenario, most Israelis do not care about the cost in civilian casualties in Gaza, as long as the main objective is achieved: eliminating the threat for good.

What everyone who's losing it seems to forget is that less than a year ago, thousands of Palestinians invaded Israel and raped, murdered, and burned alive countless women, children, babies, elderly, and kidnapped hundreds of hostages. Their ultimate goal was to conquer large parts of Israel and kill everyone. The only reason they failed to do that was our brave soldiers, cops, and civilians who fought heroically and sacrificed their lives so that we can be here today. We owe it to them to do everything - and we mean everything - so that this imminent threat from Gaza will NEVER show its ugly face again.

Since the Gazans have proven time and time again that their support of Hamas is indisputable, it is obvious to any Israeli that the only way to guarantee our future and safety here is to remove this threat from our vicinity, forever.

Now let's go over some data to support our claims:

^1. In a poll conducted by Mano Geva amongst Jewish Israelis in January 2024, 87% of them said they are for "complete annihilation of Hamas and continuation of the war until we obtain complete control over Gaza" (tinyurl.com/43jarn5j).^

^2. In another poll by Mano Geva (who's Israel's top pollster, by the way), this time from 18.11.23, 44% of the population were for Jewish settling in Gaza, as opposed to 39% who were against. (tinyurl.com/3bfhcx2d)^

^3. It's also worth noting that many victims of October 7th share our sentiments: This is a member of Kibbutz Beeri, saying: "I will come back to Beeri only after the very last Palestinian (in Gaza) is dead" (tinyurl.com/2aez6w57).^

^4. And this is Mia Shem, who was held hostage by Hamas. She says: "There are no innocent civilians in Gaza. They're all Hamas" (tinyurl.com/3tuve3js)^

5. Gazans have been polled again and again, and the vast majority of Gazans support Hamas and support October 7th (tinyurl.com/2tn3sv8m).

To conclude - the video clip circulating was taken out of context. The fact that most Israelis think that the threat posed from Gaza (and Gazans) must be rooted out by any means necessary is beyond any doubt. People from Gaza, the PA, and all around the world who support Hamas - are actively seeking to kill us and destroy the only Jewish state. And if you want to kill us - we will rise and kill you first.

We pray for our brave soldiers and wish for the complete annihilation of the enemy and the safe return of all the hostages.

https://x.com/2NiceJewishBoys/status/1831646252489900327

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https://x.com/2NiceJewishBoys/status/1831646252489900327

BelleHathor · 05/09/2024 23:08

Previous message hidden as I copied and pasted the tweet from the Israeli podcasters who mentioned pressing a button and wiping out Palestinians.
As predicted statement is that the video was taken out of context and some strange doubling down. Happy that there are only 64 likes from 1.1 million views.
https://x.com/2NiceJewishBoys/status/1831646252489900327

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https://x.com/2NiceJewishBoys/status/1831646252489900327

TheOnlyCherryOnMyTree · 05/09/2024 23:13

ScrollingLeaves · 05/09/2024 22:19

They estimate that about 186,000 total deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza, which is roughly 7.9% of its population, by mid-June 2024
This high number is despite various ceasefire agreements over the past six months. If deaths continue at this rate – about 23,000 a month – there would be an additional 149,500 deaths by the end of the year, some six and half months from the initial mid-June estimate. Using the method, the total deaths since the conflict began would be estimated at about 335,500 in total.

That is so much higher than thought.

That's a really terrifying number. I struggle so much to get my head around it all. Usually we listen to experts. Usually we listen to the UN like if they said there was genocide in Myanmar people listen and agree that's it's bad. When it comes to Gaza suddenly nobody is listening and everyone turns their back. Everybody listened to Israel, governments clambered to condemn Hamas and give Israel their support. Now we are all witnessing death and suffering on such a huge scale, experts are calling it genocide, they are calling it war crimes, experts have been saying for months that this isn't right and people can't hear it?

I just don't understand how they have seen what I have seen which is a teeny tiny fraction of what the people of Gaza have seen and they just don't care. It's worse than that, they call the people that do care names, try to shame them into silence, actively try to get people including charities to stop advocating for the people who experts say have lost almost 8% of their family, friends and neighbours in 9 months. I don't understand.

EasterIssland · 05/09/2024 23:35

BelleHathor · 05/09/2024 23:08

Previous message hidden as I copied and pasted the tweet from the Israeli podcasters who mentioned pressing a button and wiping out Palestinians.
As predicted statement is that the video was taken out of context and some strange doubling down. Happy that there are only 64 likes from 1.1 million views.
https://x.com/2NiceJewishBoys/status/1831646252489900327

Tbh reading their comments I’m not 100% sure about their “it was taken out of context”. There is 0 sympathy for the Palestinians in their comments

“Since the Gazans have proven time and time again that their support of Hamas is indisputable, it is obvious to any Israeli that the only way to guarantee our future and safety here is to remove this threat from our vicinity, forever.”

“conclude - the video clip circulating was taken out of context. The fact that most Israelis think that the threat posed from Gaza (and Gazans) must be rooted out by any means necessary is beyond any doubt. People from Gaza, the PA, and all around the world who support Hamas - are actively seeking to kill us and destroy the only Jewish state. And if you want to kill us - we will rise and kill you first”

I’m going to call bullshit their explanation , they’ve realised they caused a lot of complaints and instead of trying to be empathetic with civilians from both countries they keep suggesting that they need to get rid of Palestinians

BelleHathor · 05/09/2024 23:44

EasterIssland · 05/09/2024 23:35

Tbh reading their comments I’m not 100% sure about their “it was taken out of context”. There is 0 sympathy for the Palestinians in their comments

“Since the Gazans have proven time and time again that their support of Hamas is indisputable, it is obvious to any Israeli that the only way to guarantee our future and safety here is to remove this threat from our vicinity, forever.”

“conclude - the video clip circulating was taken out of context. The fact that most Israelis think that the threat posed from Gaza (and Gazans) must be rooted out by any means necessary is beyond any doubt. People from Gaza, the PA, and all around the world who support Hamas - are actively seeking to kill us and destroy the only Jewish state. And if you want to kill us - we will rise and kill you first”

I’m going to call bullshit their explanation , they’ve realised they caused a lot of complaints and instead of trying to be empathetic with civilians from both countries they keep suggesting that they need to get rid of Palestinians

Absolutely, I had made a joke about their manager not liking them to approve that statement, no PR company would have allowed that to be released. Their lack of self awareness is shocking, most people would at least try to pretend to care about both sides.

ConnieCounter · 06/09/2024 00:20

BelleHathor · 05/09/2024 23:44

Absolutely, I had made a joke about their manager not liking them to approve that statement, no PR company would have allowed that to be released. Their lack of self awareness is shocking, most people would at least try to pretend to care about both sides.

Yes I am confused as to why they posted that. Maybe they wanted to make absolutely sure we understand that they are genocidal scumbags? We already knew that.

Lots of very upsetting images of badly injured children in Gaza on social media today. When will this nightmare end. I'm so sick of it and I'm so sick of people making excuses for it.

BelleHathor · 06/09/2024 08:17

ConnieCounter The images are so upsetting and yes I'm 100% over the excuses, there are no excuses for this level of cruelty.

On the 2 guys, it must be delusion. They remind of people trying to appear "hard" by doubling down of what they think appears strong /masculine, but all I see is fear and weakness.

Dulra · 06/09/2024 08:57

EasterIssland · 05/09/2024 23:35

Tbh reading their comments I’m not 100% sure about their “it was taken out of context”. There is 0 sympathy for the Palestinians in their comments

“Since the Gazans have proven time and time again that their support of Hamas is indisputable, it is obvious to any Israeli that the only way to guarantee our future and safety here is to remove this threat from our vicinity, forever.”

“conclude - the video clip circulating was taken out of context. The fact that most Israelis think that the threat posed from Gaza (and Gazans) must be rooted out by any means necessary is beyond any doubt. People from Gaza, the PA, and all around the world who support Hamas - are actively seeking to kill us and destroy the only Jewish state. And if you want to kill us - we will rise and kill you first”

I’m going to call bullshit their explanation , they’ve realised they caused a lot of complaints and instead of trying to be empathetic with civilians from both countries they keep suggesting that they need to get rid of Palestinians

So their explanation is basically to explain why they feel how they do about Palestinians so we can better understand their hate and their reasons for wanting to wipe them out so somehow think they are fair rational people? No lads you are calling for a genocide and to wipe out a race of people no "context" will make that ok. Scary that these don't appear to be isolated extreme views

Dulra · 06/09/2024 09:14

Scirocco · 05/09/2024 21:24

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/sep/05/scientists-death-disease-gaza-polio-vaccinations-israel

Opinion piece by Professor Sridhar, chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh.

Very sobering read.

The Lancet medical journal recently published an estimate of deaths in Gaza from several respected scientists, who outline their process of estimation (comparison with similar conflicts) and final numbers. They estimate that about 186,000 total deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza, which is roughly 7.9% of its population, by mid-June 2024. This high number is despite various ceasefire agreements over the past six months. If deaths continue at this rate – about 23,000 a month – there would be an additional 149,500 deaths by the end of the year, some six and half months from the initial mid-June estimate. Using the method, the total deaths since the conflict began would be estimated at about 335,500 in total.

When it comes to Gaza suddenly nobody is listening and everyone turns their back.
@TheOnlyCherryOnMyTree Because when the report referenced above in the article was published there was a campaign to completely discredit it and then no one knows what to believe. Not letting independent observers or assessors in makes it far too easy for Israel to discredit anything negative that comes out of Gaza are call it terrorist propaganda, they definitely have it all sown up and just name call and bully anyone, any organisation or any state that dares disagree or speak ill of them

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 09:15

Several imaged from what has been happening in West Bank

Israeli soldiers share footage with Netenyahu’s channel 14 depicting them humiliating young Palestinian girls, women and elderly in Jenin during their invasion to the city
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1831964624268534214

Israeli soldiers from the 92nd Battalion took a mocking selfie with a kidnapped Palestinian elderly from the city Posted today on one of the soldiers' social media accounts.
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1831670498524102740

first Gaza, now west banK

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https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1831670498524102740

Dulra · 06/09/2024 09:25

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 09:15

Several imaged from what has been happening in West Bank

Israeli soldiers share footage with Netenyahu’s channel 14 depicting them humiliating young Palestinian girls, women and elderly in Jenin during their invasion to the city
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1831964624268534214

Israeli soldiers from the 92nd Battalion took a mocking selfie with a kidnapped Palestinian elderly from the city Posted today on one of the soldiers' social media accounts.
https://x.com/ytirawi/status/1831670498524102740

first Gaza, now west banK

Slightly off topic but why does Netanyahu have a TV channel?

ScrollingLeaves · 06/09/2024 09:36

Dulra · 06/09/2024 09:14

Very sobering read.

The Lancet medical journal recently published an estimate of deaths in Gaza from several respected scientists, who outline their process of estimation (comparison with similar conflicts) and final numbers. They estimate that about 186,000 total deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza, which is roughly 7.9% of its population, by mid-June 2024. This high number is despite various ceasefire agreements over the past six months. If deaths continue at this rate – about 23,000 a month – there would be an additional 149,500 deaths by the end of the year, some six and half months from the initial mid-June estimate. Using the method, the total deaths since the conflict began would be estimated at about 335,500 in total.

When it comes to Gaza suddenly nobody is listening and everyone turns their back.
@TheOnlyCherryOnMyTree Because when the report referenced above in the article was published there was a campaign to completely discredit it and then no one knows what to believe. Not letting independent observers or assessors in makes it far too easy for Israel to discredit anything negative that comes out of Gaza are call it terrorist propaganda, they definitely have it all sown up and just name call and bully anyone, any organisation or any state that dares disagree or speak ill of them

When the article was published there was a campaign to completely discredit it and then no one knows what to believe.

I remember the writer of the Guardian article tgat Scirroco posted, Prof Devi Sridhar, who is chair of global public health at the University of Edinburgh.

She often spoke as an expert on the television news to explain matters during the covid pandemic, and was evidently regarded as expert and reliable.

BelleHathor · 06/09/2024 09:39

Dulra · 06/09/2024 09:25

Slightly off topic but why does Netanyahu have a TV channel?

It appears that the Channel is particularly dedicated to the Political right wing in Israel hence calling it Netanyahu's Channel. Must be a bit like people say GBNEWS in the UK is the Reform party Channel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_14_(Israel)

Channel 14 (Israel) - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_14_(Israel)

ScrollingLeaves · 06/09/2024 10:59

It seems unsurprising that Netanyahu does not want a full enquiry if this is correct. If it is, then Netanyahu is lying.

Haaretz 30 August
Report: Shin Bet Chief Warned Netanyahu of Imminent War Before Oct. 7; PM: Gaza Not Mentioned
Ronen Bar, the leader of the Shin Bet security service, warned PM Netanyahu in July 2023 that war was imminent, according to a report by Yedioth Ahronoth daily. Opposition leader Yair Lapid recounted the meeting with the Shin Bet chief to the civilian commission of inquiry into Oct. 7

The head of Israel's Shin Bet security service warned Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in July 2023 that war was imminent, according to a report published on Friday in Yediot Ahronoth.

The report states that Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar held a meeting with Netanyahu on the eve of the vote to forbid judges from invoking the reasonableness clause in cases – one of the key elements in the Netanyahu government's judicial overhaul plan.

Bar told Netanyahu that he couldn't say the exact day and time the war would begin. Bar received Netanyahu's permission to share this intelligence with Opposition Leader Yair Lapid, and subsequently gave him a similar message.

Shin Bet officials didn't deny the report but said they wouldn't comment on discussions with political leaders. The Prime Minister's Office denied there was any warning about war in the Gaza Strip.

"Prime Minister Netanyahu didn't get any warning about war in Gaza – not on the date in question and not a moment before 6:29 A.M. on <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/bAt61/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-18/ty-article-static/.premium/what-happened-on-oct-7/0000018e-c1b7-dc93-adce-eff753020000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">October 7," the PMO stated.

"On the contrary, all security sources explicitly stated – as appears in the minutes of the meeting up until the war's eve – that <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/bAt61/www.haaretz.com/ty-tag/hamas-0000017f-da26-d938-a17f-fe2e53320000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Hamas was deterred and sought to reach an arrangement. Moreover, just days before October 7, the Shin Bet assessment was that it could expect Gaza to remain stable over time," Netanyahu's office said.

On Thursday, <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/bAt61/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-08-29/ty-article/.premium/lapid-netanyahu-was-bored-indifferent-to-pre-oct-7-warnings-during-joint-briefing/00000191-9da1-da8a-a991-bfe514450000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lapid discussed Bar's warning with the civilian commission of inquiry into the October 7 massacre. "I'd like to refute the notion that political leaders weren't told that Hamas was not deterred. I was told. The material I saw was shown to the cabinet as well," Lapid said.

The opposition leader recounted meeting Bar the night before the reasonableness standard <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/bAt61/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-07-24/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-government-passes-key-judicial-coup-law-amid-mass-protests-across-country/00000189-8704-def4-a7ef-a735dd5d0000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">was canceled, where he received "unprecedented warnings about the security risks and internal divisions caused by the judicial overhaul."

Lapid said he asked the Shin Bet chief if these warnings were also conveyed to Netanyahu and cabinet ministers, to which the answer was "of course," adding that President Isaac Herzog was also updated on the growing threats.

Lapid also told the commission that the military secretary to the prime minister informed him about a year ago that terror organizations had detected a weakness in Israel because of the <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/bAt61/www.haaretz.com/ty-tag/judicial-coup-00000187-3262-db91-adcf-3f771b510000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">judicial overhaulattempts. Lapid asserted that the secretary at the time, Maj. Gen. Avi Gil, told Netanyahu as much at a security update that Lapid attended on August 21, 2023. He added that Netanyahu looked "bored and indifferent" to him.

According to Lapid, Gen. Gil claimed that terrorist organizations perceived "weakness, internal division, tension, and a loss of combat fitness in the army, alongside an ongoing crisis with the Americans." Because of this situation, he participated in several hearings in the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee. "I was presented with intelligence at the highest level of classification. Its implications were clear: Israel is at an exceptionally high level of risk," he said.

Lapid told the commission that an increase in threats against Israel was presented to the committee's participants during a meeting in September. "What was stated there was – in my view – unequivocal. Israeli deterrence has dramatically eroded, and our enemies believe they have a rare opportunity to harm us," he said.

He added that he made a media statement following the meeting, in which he stressed the growing danger. "All the heads of the defense establishment, the IDF, Shin Bet security service, police and intelligence agencies are <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/bAt61/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-23/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-denies-the-idf-warned-him-before-oct-7-of-hamas-intention-to-attack-israel/0000018f-a5b0-d0b4-a3cf-b7bc32b10000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">warning the government and the [security] cabinet of a violent escalation," he said at the time.

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 13:33

Israeli MP Avigdor Lieberman has called for Israel to halt food shipments to Gaza, stating that such deliveries are “intolerable” while Hamas continues to hold Israeli captives.
“We must stop this lifeline immediately,” Lieberman wrote in a post on X. “No food products, no cigarettes and no additional luxuries.”

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wonder how the hostages are going to eat

BelleHathor · 06/09/2024 13:37

EasterIssland · 06/09/2024 13:33

Israeli MP Avigdor Lieberman has called for Israel to halt food shipments to Gaza, stating that such deliveries are “intolerable” while Hamas continues to hold Israeli captives.
“We must stop this lifeline immediately,” Lieberman wrote in a post on X. “No food products, no cigarettes and no additional luxuries.”

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wonder how the hostages are going to eat

They're too stupid or blinded by vengeance to actually care about how their actions will affect the hostages (or see them as acceptable "collateral damage" to win).

Look at the threats to "shut up or else" that some hostages families are getting.

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