Israelis held hostage in Gaza - part 4

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New thread.

Went to post on thread 3 and it's full.

Sad 4th thread and hostages still held by Hamas and others.

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Thinking of everyone.

Posted today....

So Islamic Jihad leaders are required for release. Remember when Sinwar was released. That ended badly.

Rock and hard place. They want hostages back and have to release terrorists to get them

Agreed. Unpalatable choices to get the hostages back. So difficult.

@stomachamelon @YoYoYoYo12345
True. Thank God we are not the ones to make those calls.
447 days 🎗️🇮🇱

23 days until Trumps in. I think it's a game changer.
I'm new to this thread so apologies if anyone disagrees, I'm not trying to offend etc.
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In what way do you think it's a game changer? What do you think he might do?

@YoYoYoYo12345

Trump has said free the hostages or there will be 'all hell to pay". A clear warning, and in total contrast to the previous administrations muddled rhetoric. I believe the threat is mainly aimed at the Iranian regime, which will look very different if not listed to!

The Iranian regime has the power to order Hamas to let the hostages go, or at least strongly encourage them to do so. It seems there is now a firmer timetable in place rather than this open ended back and forth which is helping nobody. It feels like negotiations have resumed with more 'focus' and a deal is more likely to be struck imo.

Basically Iran / and Hamas leaders (those billionaires) return the hostages or you'll be bombed into oblivion. Peace through strength.

Hamas / Iran have already lost this war. Let's all end it now.

It’s been hell in Gaza for a year. Any hostages still alive are extremely lucky and even just grinding on as things have been is endangering their lives in a hell on Earth.

Trump is more likely to get the hostages killed in a finale orgy of flame than freed.

Those "lucky" hostages hey.
Trump is painted out to be this SuperVillian who goes round the world destroying everything. Ive not seen that at all, but pls show me where and I'll stand corrected.

Let's see what happens. The last mob didn't achieve much. You might be surprised.

Yes the ones still alive are lucky compared to the dozens that have been murdered or blown up by IDF bombs.
I would rather not see what happens when Trump takes control, I would rather there be a ceasefire now and the hostages released now.
Trump isn’t going to be any better than Biden and BiBi imho.

I don't know that I have heard the remaining hostages ever described as 'extremely lucky'

Imagine if that 'hell on earth' could be transformed by...... I don't know..... releasing the hostages and committing to moving forward in peace talks. The whole 'impotent' narrative gets on my nerves. You reap what you sow.

@LoremIpsumCici
This is not a very pleasant or helpful area of discussion, but 'Lucky' is subjective. You may want to ask those with severe metal trauma, or those that have committed suicide post 7 Oct if they feel 'lucky'. Let's hope you and I never have to feel that way.

You may also want to think more deeply about the implications of negotiating with terrorists. If Hamas gets all that it wants, it can empower them and others and lead to future hostage taking. This has happened in the past, which I'm sure you know, when Israel released 1000 Palestinian prisoners for just 1 Israeli soldier. That's how much Israel cares about its people. It's a very fine balance, and one I'm glad I don't have to make. You want to negotiate from a position of strength not weakness.

On Trump vs Biden and 'BiBi' (which I'm sure only his friends call him btw) why not wait and see what happens, instead of spreading unfounded and baseless opinions (I'm still waiting for examples btw). We may be more likely to move forward that way, for everyone's sake.

@LoremIpsumCici Hersch Goldberg-Polin and the six others executed?

My opinion is neither unfounded or baseless. It is an opinion, not a fact. As with any other British Jew with family in Israel I have a right to an opinion. And yes it is my opinion that any hostages still alive in Gaza are alive purely through luck.

They are being held captive by antisemitic murderers so it’s not the kindness of Hamas keeping them alive. They are simultaneously having everything around them blown up by the IDF. The military are targeting Hamas, who are using the hostages as human sheilds. So it’s not through the IDF “caring” about the hostages that any are still alive either. It’s mostly luck. That’s my opinion.

I have no idea what your agenda is in implying I meant they were lucky in life.

I am equally sure you know there are examples of Trump being a destabilising force with atrocious foreign policy screw ups.

Just stop. It is clear I was saying any hostages still alive are alive due to luck.

It's not clear though is it? As I am not the only one pointing it out?

The fact is regarding the hostages we just don't know. Where they are? How they are? Who is still alive? The ongoing cruelty is staggering.

If I have misinterpreted what you meant I apologise but it's clumsy.

No agenda. Just words matter.
All I'm saying is that I think Trump coming in is going to make things better, not worse. And it's more, rather than less likely that the hostages are freed, and this horrible tragedy can finally end.

You did ask me 'why?' after my original post after all. of course you can disagree and can have an opinion, i just wish it was based on something more than a narrative.

Can people not reserve judgment on what difference Trump will make, rather than paint him as some evil warmonger. He's record doesn't show that at all and I think it is entirely unhelpful to spread that rhetoric, as we try to move forward. You say that Trump is a destabilising force with atrocities and foreign policy screw ups. all I ask is examples to back this up. I think Trump made the world a safer place and I am more than happy to have that debate.

At the end of the day we all want the same thing (I hope), let's just pray we get there.

So you think trump will attack Iran if hostages not released. So another war in the middle east. Do Americans actually have any appetite for that though. 🤔

@YoYoYoYo12345
I think that there is every chance Trump will attack the Iranian Regime, not the Iranian people, there is a difference. Prob will work with Israel and other allies, Remember there are 6 US citizens being held hostage. This is unacceptable to the US and Trump, as it should be. Something will happen for sure, You don't make empty threats, and one thing Trump isnt is weak.

Will this be a "war" in the ME? Depends how you look at it. No need for US boots on the ground, which Americans deffo wouldn't allow,

Sounds like many Iranian people would welcome it, plus many of the ME nations that want to get away from the hateful ideologies, and finally sign the Abraham Accords. Plus who in this world that's sane would want the IRGC to have nuclear weapons?? Would that make the world a more or less safe place?

This war is almost over. Let's get the hostages back and try to move forward. What's the alternative?

Good points made there

@YoYoYoYo12345
Thanks. We all want the suffering to end on all sides!!

My thumbs have had enough punishment for one day. Have a good evening and NY. ✌🏼

@ThisPearlPeer13 in one post you mentioned bombing Iran/Hamas into oblivion if Hamas does not release the hostages:

Basically Iran / and Hamas leaders (those billionaires) return the hostages or you'll be bombed into oblivion. Peace through strength.

But then in the next post you said Trump would only attack the Iranian regime not the people:

I think that there is every chance Trump will attack the Iranian Regime, not the Iranian people, there is a difference. Prob will work with Israel and other allies, Remember there are 6 US citizens being held hostage.

Bombing Iran into oblivion would affect the Iranian people though.

Gaza/Hamas has already been bombed more or less into oblivion by Israel and the Palestinians people in Gaza affected.

None of this would necessarily get the hostages back.

@ScrollingLeaves
I clearly said the Iranian Regime a. Umber of times . You have quoted me incorrectly. "Basically Iran / and Hamas leaders" Note, Iran and Hamas leaders! Not Iran itself or its people.

The circumstances are different in Iran. I doubt your average Iranian is using its people as human shields or storing / launching attacks from their homes. Spot the difference?

Let's see if those evil ayatollahs play ball....