Disgusting comments like this normalised

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I see countless UK run accounts like this. Hundreds of comments just like this.

Why? It's horrendous. How can we let this be said in Britain without any consequences?

You couldn't start conversations about other communities and not end up reported to the police.

Oops, I hope I didn't give anyone any ideas with this comment. My bad.

Thinking that the current state of Israel should not exist is in my opinion often rooted in antisemitism in my opinion. If yoy want to extrapolate anything from that to make me look like some kind of villian then knock yourself out.

Yeah, claiming that people don't mean Jew when they say Zionist then heading off to the Jewish Mumsnetters section to post crap suggests that people do mean Jew after all.

Or perhaps they just disagree with the Zionist colonisation of Palestine and wouldn’t care what religion the oppressors came from because it’s about their actions not their origins.

I suppose that's one way to reduce the highly complex history of a region to a stupid tiktok soundbite.

My dd is off to uni this year and we have had 'the talk' about how to deal with being challenged to prove she isn't a genocidal maniac on the basis of her Jewish name. I had the same happen to me when I was at uni in the 80s, and JewSocs were getting banned.

How many days of my life have I wasted since trying to find common ground with people who don't know the history, don't want to listen, just want to enjoy their frenzy of self righteous condemnation. Even if I start off (as I often do) by making it clear that I would be happy to see Netanyahu in prison.

Most people are rightly clear that they want the suffering to end. But they don't want it enough to read a book, or accept that the situation is bloody complicated, or come up with any thoughtful, constructive ideas for peace. So much more fun to just shout at Jews.

As it ever was. And that's so blisteringly useless to the people of Gaza, who don't need more demagogues in their lives.

I’d be happy to see not just Netanyahu but everyone who participated in this slaughter held to account. I think what the people of Gaza and all Palestinians need is for the killing to stop and to be allowed to speak for themselves. How anyone can see even the tip of the iceberg that is shown of Palestinian suffering and support the state perpetrating the slaughter is beyond me. Very few people care what religion you are or are not, they do care what you do.

Have you seen how many "proud Zionists"

I wish that were true, but my experience of a lifetime defensively explaining myself is that you don't have to be an aggressor, an Israeli, or even a practising Jew to be given plenty of grief by plenty of people.

Very few people care what religion you are or are not, they do care what you do

I'm afraid this just isn't true... otherwise how do you explain the hatred which is being shown towards British Jews right now who have absolutely no say in what is happening in the ME?

Very few people care what religion you are or are not, they do care what you do

Right enough

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13572787/Terrified-Jewish-mother-claims-contemplating-LEAVING-Britain-son-assaulted.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c999wlykgdlo

https://www.thejc.com/news/london-tattoo-artist-has-bookings-cancelled-because-hes-jewish-mvurf0u0

Not sure why your response to someone talking about tryng to avoid abuse due to having a Jewish name is "very few people care what your religion is".

Jewish people are on this thread saying, "We find the term "zio" used in this way offensive and antisemitic." Why is it so hard to listen and say, " oh OK, thanks for explaining. I'll refrain from doing that in future."?

A Jewish poster above has told us how she is preparing her DC for antisemitism at university and her post was met with a diatribe about Netanyahu.

I'm guessing most of the posters on here would describe themselves as progressive and antiracist and against discrimination. Why the blind spot when it comes to Jews? Can you not hear yourselves?

This is such an awful response to someone talking about how they expect their dc to encounter antisemitism at university.

And as for this: "Very few people care what religion you are or are not, they do care what you do." I mean wtaf. Is that also aimed at the PP and her student DC? So awful.

Very few people care what religion you are or are not, they do care what you do.

Would you say the same to all British people, or just the Jewish ones?

In a sense, that's right: people don't care about my religious practice (or lack of), what zionism means to me, or my thoughts on how to build peace in the ME. What they care about is an opportunity to perform how virtuous they are by pressurising Jews to disavow zionism.

A bit like those BLM activists touring restaurants forcing customers to recite 'black lives matter' as though that was going to help destroy actual racism.

"A Jewish poster above has told us how she is preparing her DC for antisemitism at university and her post was met with a diatribe about Netanyahu".

Exactly this. I can absolutely resonate with Ketzele's position. She portrayed a reasonable position and the immediate reaction of the next post was to delegitimise her by talking over and implying that she was not progressive enough. Sadly, Ketzele's post resonated with me 100%. In my experience, the above interaction is entirely standard, and it dismisses the validity of the political position of pretty much all Jewish and Israeli people except for the most extreme anti-Zionists.

Spot on, again.

When you have the leaders of Zionist political parties like Belazel Smotrich and Itmar Ben Gvir publicly making homophobic and/or racist statements, an association is made like it or not by their party members and the public.

I agree outright conflation would not be on and I would counsel against anyone trying to do that.

My experience is that people aren’t at all hung up on religion but more focused on behaviour. It is obviously material to those caught up in this nightmare but really if it was Christian’s behaving as Israel and their supporters are behaving I think the response would be the same. The vast majority of people in the uk don’t have a religion central to their lives and do not practice one.of those that do it is rare to find one that is intolerant of others religion. I appreciate that may be different in different parts of society but that’s my experience.

Jewishness is not just a religion but also an ethnicity. I recognise your name from these boards and know you have been around here for some time, so it seems pretty astounding that you are not aware of this.

Plus there are countless, well-documented examples of antisemitic acts since 7th Oct that have precisely nothing to do with the victims' religion. Or are you suggesting that Jews in the US and Europe are somehow to blame due to their "actions" for these crimes committed against them?

But why just bring up Smotrich and Ben Gvir? All of the Jewish-Israeli political parties define themselves as Zionist - including Meretz, whose policies are entirely the inverse of Smotrich and Ben Gvir's - they are vehemently against the occupation, antiracist, and pro LGBT rights. What makes the parties Zionist is their support of the continued existence of the State of Israel, not racism and homophobia.

Yes, it's like pointing to the BNP as justification for linking being British with being racist and homophonic.

I think you're rather illustrating my point, TomeTome. I have Jewish heritage but I'm not religious, I don't keep a Jewish home and I have been fiercely critical of successive Israeli governments. But I've been aware of the hum of antisemitism all my life and sometimes it rears up and shows its teeth. This is one of those times.

My grandad (a survivor of Nazi Germany) used to tell me I was living in a liberal postwar bubble and one day I would understand. And I would say the same to you. He died a few years ago and I'm glad because the current wave of antisemitism would break his heart.

You say in your experience people don't care about religion but - excuse me for asking - are you Jewish or Muslim? Because if not, you've got a lot more listening to do.

All the banners and protests and watermelons in the UK won't make any difference to the ME situation. But we can make a difference to the amount of collateral damage created here: the Jew-hatred and Muslim- hatred in our own country. If you don't care about that, you're not being serious in your claim to want peace.

As for the ridiculousness of pretending all zionists are homophobic... well, I've been lesbian in Israel and I've been lesbian in Egypt, and guess which one was easier.

Or even homophobic. 🤦‍♀️