War Hezbollah and Israel

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News seem to indicate a war between Israel and Hezbollah seems imminent , hopefully they’re wrong

Biden has said they’ll support Israel and several ships are on their way to support Israel

from what I’ve read , hezbollah has got more and stronger weapons than Hamas in Gaza

I can only think about how many innocent civilians are going to die because incompetent politicians and many times men.

"Hezbollah continue to add fuel by firing missiles into Israel" @ Yoyo

Yet another statement that doesn't paint the full picture and also fails to see the nuances of what is actually occurring.

If you look at what's been happening on Israel's northern border over the past 9 months, you'll see that there have been carefully coordinated responses to attacks by both the Israelis and Hezbollah. There has been tat for tat artillery fire from both sides. An Israeli armed position will come under fire and in response Israel will target a Hezbollah position. With one or two exceptions, each side has not engaged in attacking a civilian location. Though admittedly, on both sides civilians have been evacuated from the area. But up until now, each exchange has been very carefully measured and calibrated so as not to inflame the situation. I remember hearing reporters back in March describing just how specific each reply would be and this carefully measured "fire and retaliate equally" has been going on up until very recently. This applies to both sides. This is because up until now, neither Hezbollah nor Israel actually wanted a full scale fight. Israel had its hands full in Gaza and Iran felt escalation was not in its best interest. Remember Hezbollah will not act unless it has the full backing of Iran. Hezbollah certainly couldn't sustain a war with Israel if it did not have Iran's approval and arms.

Unfortunately, it seems that Israel is now itching for a fight on its northern border and seems determined to goad Hezbollah/Iran into one. There have been in the past 2 months many provocative acts by Israel all done in the name of eliminating terrorists of which the pager / phone episode is the most recent. And although it was brilliant in both its planning and execution, it was in fact the worst of deeds as it brings Hezbollah and Israel closer to full conflict. It only served to escalate the situation, which, in my mind, is the very worst of things that could have happened.

Supply chain question is very interesting. Who actually manufactured the pagers? Made in Israel under license or manufacturers passing a few thousand over to be "adapted".? That's another interesting part of the story. Also worth noting that Hungary was the address of the shadow company. Orban and Netanyahu have an interesting relationship.

It looks like the pagers were manufactured by Israeli owned shell companies in Europe and that the explosive was not RDX but PETN, which is more effective when only a small amount of explosive can be used. These companies made both good and doctored pagers, the latter being directed to Lebanon.
Interesting that the plan to modify the pagers started in summer 2022 and so they must have been around, remaining undetected, for some time.

The IDF is claiming that Hezbollah is storing cruise missiles and launchers, wait for it, inside civilian homes.

Where have we heard that before.

Again with the graphics.

They are advising civilians "living in villages used by Hezbollah" to move.

Video of Daniel Hagari below.

x.com/idf/status/1838081162129940615?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

We've heard it before because its how terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah operate. As is well documented.

He says the weapons are embedded throughout Lebanon; that
everyone in villages near the border with Israel who lives near a building where there is an embedded weapon should leave for their own safety.

Who in those villages would know which buildings have them? Basically everyone will have to leave. Probably the whole villages will get bombed in the end.

@ScrollingLeaves

Exactly, basically implicating all the residents on an 80 Km stretch of south Lebanon.

Madness.

I have listened to an interview with the Israeli minister for education ( I don't know how to post the link ,sorry) who stated, and I quote, "Lebanon is going to be annihilated." The interviewer then asked him if he was aware that the term, in Hebrew, has heavy connotations. He apologised and said, and I quote again," Lebanon will cease to exist as we know it".
He didn't say Hezbollah will be annihilated, he didn't differentiate between terrorists and civilians.
I fear for the Lebanese people.

That's shocking. Do you have a reputable source @Auvergne63?

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/s/yYsTm22Qxf

@MonoSilly a quick search of the quote brought up this video.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/30544300/israel-invasion-lebanon-hezbollah-war-pagers-bombs/

The Sun (not a great source by any means) has an article quoting an ex-Mossad person who suggests creating a "10km death zone" in another country is a reasonable thing to do.

Haaretz

Israeli Minister Claims Lebanon Cannot Be Defined as State, IDF Should Establish 'Buffer Zone' Inside Its Territory
Israel's Diaspora Affairs Minister Amichai Chikli said that given the Lebanese government's 'failure to exercise its sovereignty over Hezbollah-controlled southern Lebanon,' the IDF had the right to 'take over' areas from which missiles could be fired into Israel

"Can't be defined as a state" sounds familiar.

And "create a buffer zone" on their land sounds familiar.

Sorry - link

www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-22/ty-article/.premium/israeli-minister-claims-lebanon-is-not-a-sovereign-state-in-series-of-social-media-post/00000192-1a0f-dda5-a1d2-5b9f40ee0000

Don't think it's Israels role to decide what states should and shouldn't exist

...but it is all so easy to solve. There is no occupation here, no control over borders. The negotiations aren't even requiring Hizbollah to move back to the Litani river in compliance with the (legally binding) Security Council resolution.

Hizbollah opened fire on October 8, supporting Iran's interests.

The statements coming from the current Israeli government (that I very much oppose) are terrible, but the rhetoric on both sides is like this. The focus on these statements, while overlooking the simple fact that Hizbollah started the violence, and have the power to stop the conflict on the Lebanese border tomorrow is very strange...

I have just listened to the News at one on Radio 4. I urge you to listen to it. It should be available on BBC sounds.
It is chilling.

Thousands of people are receiving phonecalls and messages that they need to leave areas, including reports of parents receiving messages about their children's schools. People in Lebanon are scared - they've already seen how this unfolds.

Ori Goldberg in +972 magazine Sept 20 2024

What Israelis don’t want to hear about Iran and Hezbollah
For years, Israeli expert Ori Goldberg has tried to challenge commonly-held assumptions about the Islamic Republic and its allies. Will anyone listen?

https://www.972mag.com/iran-israel-hezbollah-ori-goldberg/

(I do not know enough outside the general idea of fundamentalist Iran being a bad thing to comment on this but thought it was interesting.)

Yes reading it on bbc now. So frightening for people

www.bbc.com/news/live/c5y32qew9z2t

One more time innocent civilians in the middle of terrorism and a government that doesn’t care. Feel sorry for them.

180 killed and 727 injured.

wonder how many of those are innocent people

I think the problem people have is that yes both sides spout horrific rhetoric, both sides commit awful acts but one of those 'sides' is being armed by the West, one of those 'sides' is being openly supported.

It's disgusting and no doubt distressing for some to have to listen to people openly supporting a country whose elected government spouts genocidal rhetoric towards their families and friends. It's illegal to support one 'side' but it isn't even seen as shameful to support the other. How can people feel safe in a country where their government supports and arms a country that openly talks about committing wiping out people like them. People would be a lot less loud about it if both sides were treated the same way, if both sides were condemned by everyone and if arms sales to both were outlawed. The narrative needs to change, no matter who 'started it' or who is committing it, genocidal rhetoric, breeches of International law need to be a red line. Support of countries or organisations that do those things needs to be questioned and condemned by everyone, no excuses.

Two ambulances belonging to an Islamic health service were damaged by Israeli airstrikes, Ali Abbas, an official within the health service told the Guardian.

One ambulance was blown up by an airstrike in the town of Haris, south Lebanon, while another in the town of Ain Aata had its windshield broken by an airstrike in front of it, Abbas said. No one was injured in the strike, though some paramedics have been injured by airstrikes as part of the widespread Israeli bombing campaign in south Lebanon.

You are talking about Hamas/Hezbollah right and the lack of support for Israel? After all if you put Iran instead of “the West” you’d have hit the nail on the head.

Israel are repeatedly targeted by truly genocidal maniacs whose sole purpose is their destruction. No other people would be required to turn the other cheek quite as much as Israel is expected to. You can talk about a thin red line, but when the other side views it as fair game to break all international laws, Israel don’t have much choice. Or perhaps you could go there to police both sides and see where the levels of naivety being purported lead?

@WonkyWay2 How do you see Israel turning its other cheek?