War Hezbollah and Israel

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News seem to indicate a war between Israel and Hezbollah seems imminent , hopefully they’re wrong

Biden has said they’ll support Israel and several ships are on their way to support Israel

from what I’ve read , hezbollah has got more and stronger weapons than Hamas in Gaza

I can only think about how many innocent civilians are going to die because incompetent politicians and many times men.

Is that an unfair conclusion?
Seem to be

Incredibly I heard someone on the JV show actually say to Frank Gardner that one big bomb should be dropped on Gaza because modern warfare is too slow.
Shocking and to feel embolden enough to say it live on air, really disturbing. How was he dealt with?

I think he (Betzalel Smotrich) and others feel with Israel's superior firepower and defensives they don't need to negotiate and they can kill as many people as they like in Lebanon with little or no consequence to their own people or country. They can carry out atrocities like they are actioning in the West Bank and Gaza with impunity.
Is that an unfair conclusion?

No, that’s exactly what they’re doing, while the rest of the world bleats away in the background.

There was no such understanding. Absoltuely not. Nasrallah may have wished there to be such an understanding but Israel never signed up to it. Israel signed up to Hezbollah disarming and moving north of the Litani if they withdrew. That's what they signed up for. Israel has always said, for the last 80 years, if you hit us, we hit back harder.

The fact that you call it a "support front" is so telling. What you mean to say is they attacked Israel. And they knew full well what the costs to the Lebanese would be but they didn't think that they should ask them if they wanted a war with Israel.

The "escalation ladder" was broken on October 8th by HEzbollah.

Who's stopping you? I think Smotritch and Ben Gvir are racist fascists. So probably would lump then in with bad guys. And they're Israeli. So there you go, it's not hard.

No, it's not that they don't think there will be consequences for their country, they know full well the capabilities of Hezbollah, but in the style of all fascists, they think it is a worthy sacrifice that the population should be make for the greater good.

Soon after 7/10 Smotritch said something along the lines of how the hostages would need to be sacrificed for the greater good of ridding Gaza of Hamas.

Why the need to label good guys and bad guys? It's so childish this need to paint a complex situation as black and white.

that was from the comment I was replying to you. So , you can do it , it’s not hard. If the rest do it then it’s childish.

It is childish. But you seemed determined to do it and complained that you weren't allowed to do it to Israelis when no one ever said that.

@Silence1 quote from Herzi Halevi this pm wrt planning for this 'escalation'

We need to continue attacking Hezbollah, we have been waiting for this opportunity for years

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly3g1dplppo

In Lebanon, recent Israeli air strikes have killed 600 people and left thousands of injured and another 90,000 newly displaced.

Imagine, if you will, what quotes we’d find if we went through Hezbollah communications and propaganda.

@WonkyWay2

We don't need to imagine what heinous quotes come from Israeli ministers, they are published without shame for all to see.

Ah yes, @AhNowTed , that was kind of my point. The Israeli quotes are easy to access. Next time I’ll explain better.

Huh? My post was in response to @Silence1 wondering how long this had been planned by Israel

Very much doubt that there would be anything in 'Hezbollah's communication and propaganda' pertaining to that

@WonkyWay2

I agree, the position and statements from both "sides" are horrifying.

No need to explain.

No one said Israelis are the good guys but there does seem to be a blind eye turned towards Hizbollah and Hamas in these discussions. I think you have to hit Hizbollah hard to prevent missiles reigning down on Tel Aviv; this makes Israel neither the good or bad guy. It does make Israel a state defending itself against an attack.

It may Hizbollah will stop firing it rockets but I have a feeling they won't .

Absolutely no one is turning a blind eye.

Their acts are heinous, as are actions by Israel.

No party is innocent here.

Sadly it was

Exactly. No state on earth would tolerate having to evacuate 60,000 citizens because of constant attacks and not fight back.

Israel are expected to evacuated, sit back and suck it up. Strange

Your understanding of the history here is very partial.

To answer two posts:

1. Hizbollah did arise in response to the 1982 invasion, but its roots are in earlier Shia militias and the Lebanese civil war. The Sunni/Shia conflict in Lebanon exists well independent of Israel and has its roots in the National Pact of 1943.

2. The massacre at Sabra and Shatila is often remembered in the West for Israel's role (which, let me make it clear, was a war crime). But we forget the other half of the story, which is that the Phalangist Christians wanted revenge for the assassination of Bachir Gemayel. That was undertaken on the instructions of Syrian President Hafez al-Assad.

There is an entire context to the Lebanese Civil War and its factions that has nothing to do with Israel. Those divisions persist today. Israel just made it worse. And it's worth noting that many Lebanese blame the Palestinians for it, and for the demographic changes in Lebanon that have nothing to do with Palestinians (demographics are part of the reason Palestinian refugees in Lebanon are denied rights and citizenship).

Lebanon has become a proxy for regional conflict well beyond Israel/Palestine: Hizbollah is, of course, supported by Iran and even after the official accords ending the civll war in 1990, Syria occupied Lebanon until 2005.

It looks like the hopes for a ceasefire for now has been dashed. It seemed yesterday that Netanyahu had indicated he would agree to a truce, so what changed? (According to sky news) it doesn't mention whether Hizbbullah gave any indication on whether they would have agreed or not.

The tone of the call was striking. They framed the ceasefire proposal, announced in a joint statement by G7 countries with three key Arab partners, as almost a done deal.
We were told the Lebanese government had said it would get assurances from Hezbollah and Israel's leadership gave support to the ceasefire plan.
But within hours, Israeli PM Netanyahu had distanced himself from the proposal, saying the IDF would continue striking Hezbollah with full force.

Actually, it says (sky) that both sides seemed to agree to commit to a ceasefire last night.

IDK @Parkingt111 but Ben Gvir threatened to withdraw from the coalition and collapse the government [again] and thereafter 'everyone' in the Israeli government seemed to back-track

Negotiations are still ongoing but really not looking positive

It's like deja-vu

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/26/tel-aviv-israel-hezbollah-missile-lebanon

note : I know that this story doesn’t apply to everyone and I feel sorry for those that have spent in shelters a long time this week worried for their lives. This report reminds me to something that has been spoken about in this thread and is also the live / believes of some of the citizens of TA.

There isn’t a blind eye turned towards them! It’s just that these forums aren’t inundated with people supporting them, which would be illegal. These forums are inundated with people who ignore and rationalise the crimes of, and suffering caused by, the state of Israel! How many times does this need to be explained.