War Hezbollah and Israel

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News seem to indicate a war between Israel and Hezbollah seems imminent , hopefully they’re wrong

Biden has said they’ll support Israel and several ships are on their way to support Israel

from what I’ve read , hezbollah has got more and stronger weapons than Hamas in Gaza

I can only think about how many innocent civilians are going to die because incompetent politicians and many times men.

Abandon Palestine. It's mostly civilians that are being killed.

Due to previous occupation by Israel the Lebanese fully understand what the Palestinians are going through.

The few years prior to October 7th of peace and normalization in the region was predicted on the idea that Palestine was "alone", hence the "problem" was solved and countries in the region could normalize with Israel.

You misunderstand me. What deal has the US offered Hezbollah and was the deal dependant on abandoning Palestine or Hamas?

"An all-out war is possible," Mr Biden said on ABC's chat show The View.
He doesn't sound too confident in their diplomatic efforts does he?

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2024/0926/1472027-middle-east/

Apologies, the deal was dependent on Hezbollah closing the support front on the Northern border with Israel.
Some people likely believe that this front is "supporting Hamas" others see this front as supporting the Palestinians as it draws away Israeli military units and eases the pressure that civilians in Palestine (I'm including the IDF actions in the West Bank as well as Gaza).
In his speech last week Nasrallah spoke about the deal and rejecting it as it was their "duty" to support Palestine.

Apart from the unprovoked daily barrage of missiles fired at civilians in northen Israel for almost a year. It would have been even better to have had de-escalation in the northern border on October 8 after the first Hezbollah attacks.

Hahahahaha, their "duty" to support Palestine. How he can say that with a straight face given how many Palestinians and other sunni Muslims Hezbollah has killed in Syria is beyond me.

Let's not make Hamas and Hezbollah the good guys here please.....

Hamas was actually financed and supported by Israel when it served Israel’s purpose to put a wedge between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza. Hezbollah was formed after the 1982 invasion of Lebanon by Israel, when it wanted to destroy the PLO as a political force and reclaim the West Bank. Israel are not the good guys in this either, and their past and continuing actions have inevitable consequences.Ultimately Israel wants the territories of Gaza and the West Bank ‘back’ (not the people, who are an inconvenience).

Exactly. Murderous terrorists hang together.

I always find it funny how the classic divide and rule tactics popularised by the British Empire are still popular today.

The obsession by mostly non Muslim governments, think tanks and their supporters with sowing discord between Sunni and Shia Muslims is amazing to watch.

I wonder where the IDF falls on this spectrum seeing as it treated Al Nusra (Salafist Jihadi) terrorists during the Syrian War?

https://network.aljazeera.net/en/pressroom/former-mossad-director-efraim-halevy-defends-israeli-medical-assistance-al-nusra-front

Totally. Let's not forget what happened the last time Lebanon was invaded.
40 years on, survivors recall horror of Lebanon's Sabra and Shatila massacre (france24.com)

Betzalel Smotrich has said this morning "Crush Hezbollah.. the only options are surrender or war"
Is that what posters on here also think?

If an attack on Lebanon, such as we have seen in Gaza, meant that 40000 plus Israelis were killed, universities, schools, hospitals razed to the ground, agricultural crops destroyed and say 50% of housing stock destroyed , would the likes of Smotrich still be calling for an invasion of Lebanon?

I think he and others feel with Israel's superior firepower and defensives they don't need to negotiate and they can kill as many people as they like in Lebanon with little or no consequence to their own people or country. They can carry out atrocities like they are actioning in the West Bank and Gaza with impunity.
Is that an unfair conclusion?

Incredibly I heard someone on the JV show actually say to Frank Gardner that one big bomb should be dropped on Gaza because modern warfare is too slow.

Absolutely @Auvergne63 @maudelovesharold

The good guys... 🙄

OMG!! Israel gave medical assistance to people!! The horror!

You know, israel also gave medical assistance to Hamas terrorists.

Most Israelis do not support Smotrich. He's the most extreme element of Israeli society. Yes, it's shameful he's in government but all the Israelis I know (and I know many) think he's disgusting, even people who are to the right of the political spectrum.

Why the need to label good guys and bad guys? It's so childish this need to paint a complex situation as black and white.
Israelis are not "the bad guys" and neither are Palestinians. Neitehr are they the good guys either. They are people. The tragedy is that it's not bad versus good but just causes vs just causes. Or rather injustice vs injustice (to paraphrase Amos Oz)

Exactly the point folks are making in response to @mids2019 post earlier.

It's never that simple.

Sinwar is a bad Palestinian
many in the Israeli government are bad Israelis

we agree there is innocent good civilians in both sides. But if an Israeli does something wrong we should be able to say they’re a bad guy

Bizarre.

Since hezbollah lobbed it's missiles after Oct 7th in support of Hamas therefore hezbollah are aggressors.

Its a bit silly to keep firing rockets at your neighbour then cry when then fire back. 🙄

Indeed. Some of the posts are just laughable now.

Yep.
Some consistently miss this important detail.

Sadly there is no model for this.

It would be a first. If hamas were gone then the people could rebuild and wouldn't it be great if a great democracy with no terrorist running the country. It feels unattainable though. Hamas will not go, neither will hezbollah. Both will keep their people down whilst they pursue their aims of eradication of Israel.

From bbc

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office says Israel is fighting with "full force" and has not responded to a call for ceasefire.
Now, Israel Katz, the country's foreign minister, says "there will be no ceasefire in the north".
Israel "will continue to fight against the terrorist organisation Hezbollah with all our might until victory and the safe return of the residents of the north to their homes," Katz adds on a statement on X.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has told Israel's military to keep fighting with "full force" and has not responded to last night's ceasefire call, his office says.
In response to the ceasefire proposal put forward by 12 international allies, Netanyahu's office says:
"The news about a ceasefire - not true. This is an American-French proposal, to which the prime minister did not even respond. The news about the supposed directive to moderate the fighting in the north is also the opposite of the truth.
"The prime minister instructed the IDF to continue the fighting with full force, and according to the plans presented to him. Also, the fighting in Gaza will continue until all the goals of the war are achieved."

Nobody is crying.
Hezbollah made the decision to open a support front after October 7th, knowing full well what the costs would be.

Israel and Lebanon have had border skirmishes for over 40 years.

There is (or was) an understanding on threat escalation:
A civilian for a civilian, a building for a building, a soldier for a soldier etc.
Since October Israel has fired 4 times the rockets and killed far more Lebanese.

The additional 1000+ dead Lebanese in the past week means that that escalation ladder has been broken.

How stupid to support another terrorist organisation then knowing the result would be counter attack and loss of innocents. What good are hezbollah to the Lebanese. I can see why the Lebanese people are so angry being stuck with a terrorist organisation constantly putting them in danger.

There is a better way. Accept Israel as a state, as many others in the middle east have done. Stop terrorist attacks. No one would support the continuing conflict if terrorists laid down armband stopped attacks. Someone has to make the first move to peace. Israel accepts Gaza as a state and both stop attacks.

It's quite ridiculous really.

Chilling. Netanyahu seems to be making it clear that he wants another Gaza situation. He's flicked the Vs at USA, so they need to cut off the supplies they've been giving him (they won't though). I think he's relying on Iran eventually getting directly involved so that he can suck the USA,UK and other Countries into a massive war.

He's the same as Putin in my mind, a narccistic maniac.