War Hezbollah and Israel

[EasterIssland]

News seem to indicate a war between Israel and Hezbollah seems imminent , hopefully they’re wrong

Biden has said they’ll support Israel and several ships are on their way to support Israel

from what I’ve read , hezbollah has got more and stronger weapons than Hamas in Gaza

I can only think about how many innocent civilians are going to die because incompetent politicians and many times men.

@Dulra Exactly right. In the article I've been referencing above, the youngsters from Gaza were talking about how they never have been free. They have been restricted in so many ways. Really really heartbreaking to read.

Israeli ground offensive in Lebanon does not appear ’imminent’, says Pentagon

Do we believe the US?
And in the meantime Lebanese citizens are terrified and terrorised , stuck on three lane roads with some belongings.

I hope they're right can't begin to imagine the terror people are feeling

This has been in response to:
Efacsen · Today 20:47
Israeli ground offensive in Lebanon does not appear ’imminent’, says Pentagon

Haaretz writes,
ISRAEL-LEBANON: IDF Chief of Staff Herzl Halevi said the IDF is preparing for a ground operation in Lebanon. Northern Command Chief Maj. Gen. Uri Gordin stated that the confrontation with Hezbollah has entered a "different phase" and that the IDF must be prepared for a ground "maneuver." Netanyahu said in a video post that Israel was hitting Hezbollah with "strikes it couldn't even have imagined," and that they would continue until residents of Israel's north could return home in safety.

Could, ”is preparing” mean
precautionary preparations are being made just in case?

Israel invests? Don’t you mean the USA invests?

@ScrollingLeaves my understanding of the Pentagons ''not imminent' is that there aren't tanks and personnel massing at the border ready to invade right now even tho' preparations are still being made

Plus an emphasis on there being a window of opportunity in the interim for negotiations to avert the ground invasion from Biden and Macron

Plus more time to evacuate and lessen panic/terror

It was way back on the 19th June that Israeli Generals approved Lebanese battle plans including "readiness of forces on the ground"
Which is why I feel the world has been fed an absolute pup on Gaza ceasefire and all the other BS from Blinken. This link is from ToI but there are more interesting articles from other publications a few months ago
I genuinely hope I am wrong and US is de escalating .
Top Israeli generals approve Lebanon offensive battle plans, army says | The Times of Israel

This is what's happening now

UN security council meeting on the Middle East begins

France and the US working to implement a 21-day temporary ceasefire between Hezbollah and Israel

You're right I misread.
So @EasterIssland pls do give me the middle eastern example of a thriving democracy you're thinking of? Or will Gaza be a first in the Arab world?

People did leave and return all the time through Egypt. Let's not forget there is also a border with Egypt. Prior to the 90s and the Hamas terror attacks, they could freely enter Israel.
Not having access to passports or visas is not Israel's fault. They have state of palestine passports and visas are issued by other countries.

Good they have plans. They would have been justified in a ground invasion when Hezbollah first started the constant daily barrage on October 8 so you'd hope they'd have learnt from mistakes with Gaza and be prepared. After all, Hezbollah has plans for an invasion of israel 7/10 style.

It's interesting because I think Israel has to think how it doesn't target or inflict collateral damage on those that are against Hizbollah and not necessarily against Israel.

Israel is definitely not going to be pondering and fretting about how to avoid ‘collateral damage’. Israel has gone completely rogue under Netanyahu and doesn’t give a shiny shit about ‘collateral damage’ sustained by innocent civilians. Gaza, the West Bank, now Lebanon, tens of thousands of civilians killed, illegal land-grabbing, displacement…. All aided and abetted - and encouraged - by the criminal inaction (bleating doesn’t count) of other governments worldwide.

Actually Israel has been careful to avoid collateral damage, especially in Lebanon. For example, Israel would be justified in destroying infrastructure that is used by Hezbollah but also belongs to Lebanese state, like bridges, power stations etc. But it hasn't.

Hezbollah has intentionally used civilian areas for its military activities. They are the ones who don't give a shiny shit about collateral damage. You only need to look at their war crimes in Syria while propping up the brutal Assad regime. T

Israeli citizens are terrified adn terrorised too. Hezbollah has fired missiles on Tel Aviv, the most densely populated city. As well as all the missiles on the towns and cities of Haifa, Afula, Kiryat Shemona, Netanya, the Krayot, Nahariya, Tzfat and more. And Iran's proxies in Iraq have fired missiles at Eilat.

BUt I guess they don't count.

I usually avoid most of these threads, but the USA actually only provides 10% of Israeli military funding. You may regard that as too much, but 90% is still a lot.

In fact, for years, Israel has been trying to reduce its dependence on American military aid and materiel in preparation for something like this.

Let's not make Hamas and Hezbollah the good guys here please.....

For obvious reasons both terrorist groups are an existential threat to the the Israeli state and people and as such need to be fought as we see now. If not resisted there would be no reason for both groups not to commit horrors like October 7th on a much larger scale i.e. genocide a word that seems to be used fairly flagrantly at the moment.

Already we see parts of the Lebanese government reach for the genocide term to try and describe the current Israeli action conscious of the support in some quarters the people of Gaza have gained. There is no evidence of indiscriminate bombing in Lebanon (indeed plenty of footage of Hezbollah rocket stores exploding) and footage of let's face it a precursor to war belies the suggestion the IDF are engaged in some form of terrorism. This is both laughable and an insult to the Israeli people who are currently sheltering in bomb shelters.

Maybe the press's should model what would happen to Israeli cities without the iron dome? Just because missiles are being intercepted doesn't mean the intent is quite clea; the death of Israeli citizens and the destruction of their property.

I feel there are some who wish to portray there is only one agressor and one aggrieved party in this war. This wrong and purely propaganda.

I welcome the crowds in London changing for Hizbollah to stop reigning missiles down on Israel but no this isn't going to happen. Instead there are those in the UK who wish to paint a one sided narrative and I suspect many arguing against military action by Israel are those that believe Israel shouldn't have existed in the first place.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20m1d77m86o

Do Hizbollah listen to the US? Perhaps not.

Yes Israel has a highly sophisticated economy with its tech sector on a par with the US & has one of the most complex free market economies in the region. Quick google says it receives 4.8 billion from the US (most of which is military) pa while Israel's GDP is over 500 billion. Obviously that doesnt take into account the current war. But still quite a small proportion.

Funny how they always call for the side attacked to "de-escalate" after the IDF attacks.

Does anyone listen to US? Perhaps not.

No one listens to the US. It's promises are not worth the paper that they're written on.

Countries used to be scared of the US due to the use of threats of military intervention. Not any more.

Fun fact: America has repeatedly offered Hezbollah, removal of sanctions, recognition as the government of Lebanon. Money to rebuild Lebanon and Loans if they will abandon Palestine.

Yair lapid

The state of Israel should announce this morning that it accepts the Biden-Macron ceasefire proposal, but only for seven days in order not to allow Hezbollah to restore its command and control systems. We will not accept any proposal that does not include removing Hezbollah from our northern border.
Any proposal that is put forward must allow the residents of the north to immediately return safely to their homes and lead to the renewal of negotiations for the kidnapping deal. Any violation – even the slightest – of the cease fire, will lead to Israel attacking again with its full force and in all areas of Lebanon.

Abandon Palestine or abandon Hamas?