War Hezbollah and Israel

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News seem to indicate a war between Israel and Hezbollah seems imminent , hopefully they’re wrong

Biden has said they’ll support Israel and several ships are on their way to support Israel

from what I’ve read , hezbollah has got more and stronger weapons than Hamas in Gaza

I can only think about how many innocent civilians are going to die because incompetent politicians and many times men.

@WonkyWay2 BTW if the IDF had not been such a sexist organization and actually listened to their female spotters they could have prevented a lot of what happened on the 7th October .
It's nearly a year and where is Israel now?

Today's death toll in Lebanon from Israeli attacks is reported to be almost 500 now.

What a nasty and completely inaccurate thing to say. Israeli citizens mourn their fellow citizens murdered and taken hostage. Many protest their government, crticising them for not doing enough to bring them back. Many work for peace, as many of those murdered and kidnapped on 7 October also did. You also seem to have forgotten the 100 000 odd Israelis displaced by attacks from Hamas and Hezbollah.

SharonEllis. Looking beyond the style of WonkyWay2's writing, I think that their point would be made, were you to be shown aerial photographs of Tel Aviv, and Gaza city. I doubt that you would have much difficulty in determining which is which.

Channel 4 interview with Sir William Patey
KCMG. He is a British retired diplomat. He was British Ambassador to Afghanistan from 2010 to 2012, and previously served as Ambassador to Sudan, to Iraq and to Saudi Arabia

UK must take ‘side of peace’ between Israel and Lebanon, says former ambassador
We’re joined by Sir William Patey, the former British Ambassador to several countries, including Saudi Arabia and Iraq, who is at Labour Conference with the Labour Middle East Council.
12 minutes in to the video:
https://www.channel4.com/news/uk-must-take-side-of-peace-between-israel-and-lebanon-says-former-ambassador

He says Britain needs to emphasise the need for a ceasefire. That there is a difficult balance needed between the need for this and the need for Israel’s security and proper treatment of Palestinians.

He says that there needs to be peace and de-escalation and mentions that it is clear that Israel has been escalating over the last weeks.

@TokyoSushi

Don't trust Iran if they say they have your back then.....

I think both Hamas and Hizbollah may have been expecting more. It does look like Hizbollah may be shown up as a damp squib and I wonder generally if recruitment is going to fall. I don't think any military organisation can sustain such a humiliating and powerful strike without cost.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hamas

Hamas and Hizbollah are Islamist militant groups. I merely make the point that there will be Christians and moderate Muslims that may not be happy with Hizbollah operating out of their country....

What you say is interesting. In the +972 interview with Ori Goldberg he was saying that what Iran really wants is influence.

So ultimately has Iran thrown its proxies under a bus?

I guess Iran is an opponent of Israel and it can only strike through its proxies really so if the proxies are severely damaged what does it do now?

@Silence1
I live in a mixed town in Northern Israel. Very religiously diverse. And the whole lot of us are home with our kids listening to the booms and occasionally dashing to the bomb shelters. Rocket fire doesn't discriminate. Not been doing much Hi-Tech, restaurant eating or supporting the government. What are you talking about? And what are you basing it on?

The dehumanisation of Israeli citizens in that post was callous and unacceptable. As well as inaccurate.

I'm sorry so many seem to read only propaganda and reserve their humanity only for one 'side'. This must be very frightening for all civilians & hope the war mongers quickly see that a path to peace is better than escalation.

With all the aid pumped into Palestine in the last few decades they could have had a similar economy. Instead their elected leaders chose to spend it on tunnels, weapons in a war against their neighbour, and luxury apartments in other ME countries for their elites.

How many wars has there been in Gaza in the last 20 years
also don’t forget that there were schools and universities and hospitals in Gaza … until last year. They’re not there anymore

You can't seriously be defending Hamas & excusing their appalling leadership over the last 20 years. They chose to build tunnels to smuggle arms and fighters, not bomb shelters for their citizens. Of course gaza had hospitals, schools, shopping malls & normal infrastructure but they chose to infiltrate it all with military infrastructure. They chose to send rockets & suicide bombers into Israel & they chose to launch the 7th October attacks against a militarily superior country knowing they had no way of protecting their civilians.

Can we please have some reality and balance in these interminable conversations?

you cant be seriously twisting my words in order to suit your narrative.

nowhere have I defended hamas. However , I can’t expect a country to be as prosperous as any other country when in the last few years they’ve been involved in several wars , their infrastructure affected time after time , there is restrictions and sanctions imposed in them , they’re not allowed to have a port , airport , army etc they’ve managed to build hospitals , universities and schools with the aid that they’ve been provided. They’ve done what they’ve been able to do. All this is gone in the last year.

we can’t say that Gaza isn’t a 1st world country because Hamas. Many things have happened in Palestine for it not to be a 1st world country, Hamas one of them but not the only one.

Yes, indeed, there have been wars due to successive aggression exacerbated by Hamas rhetoric about destroying Israel and Israel being responsible for all their woes. If Hamas hadn’t built tunnels in/under civilian locations they may still have them!

Do you think that saying a place under illegal occupation and blockaded by land, air and sea could have a similar economy to Israel is based in reality and offers balance?

This.

Gaza has not been under illegal occupation! Hamas has been in charge and made choices. I don't think in 20 years it would have built an economy to rival Israel's because its focus has been attacking Israel not building a thriving economy.

You made it sound like the conflict just 'happened' to Hamas. Israel withdrew militarily and Hamas had a chance to make different choices. They chose the path of continuing to fight Israel.

It really has. The only people who don't consider it illegally occupied are their illegal occupiers and their apologists.

So you can't see a reason other than Hamas that a place blockaded by land, air and sea couldn't thrive?

I don't support terrorism in any shape and form.
I don't have sympathy for terrorists.
My sympathy lies with the innocents on both sides.

Thanks!