Israel rescues four hostages alive from Gaza who were captured by Hamas at Nova music festival on October 7 - including girl seen kidnapped on back of motorbike

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Well done Israel - fantastic, wonderful news
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13508615/Israel-rescues-four-hostages-alive-Gaza-Noa-Argamani-motorbike.html

It is not a "highly biased article." It's an opinion piece from their editorial page, which you would know if you had clicked on the link. It's supposed to have a point of view. You said that Israel's steadfast supporters agree that their response was disproportionate. This editorial shows that that is not true.

Yes. That would explain the ridiculous nonsense at universities with students throwing their futures away for a bit of chanting

The Venn diagram would be interesting with pro Palestinian/covid jabs/trump

The anti vax, anti immigrants, anti Muslim , trump positions are generally considered to be the positions of the far right.

It seems that the far right parties in Europe and their supporters are becoming unconditional supporters of the military actions of the Israeli authorities.

If you mean me, which is a reasonable assumption given that you have quoted my post, then this is either troll hunting or a personal attack, both of which are against talk guidelines

How dare you

I don’t see how it does to be honest. I was talking generally about the conflict.

And, as I said, although they have not directly condemned this action but they stated a diplomatic solution was preferable for hostage release.

I quoted you but it is directed at quite a number of posts. An assumption that people who support Palestinians are also Hamas supporters or don't know what Hamas stands for. It is simply not true and an easy way to dismiss people

But that is not what anyone is saying.

It is simply not true and an easy way to dismiss people.

I think that's where it gets confusing for people. The extreme fascists in this situation are Hamas and their supporters. Hamas must be rubbing their hands in glee to see our liberal prejudices operating in their favour.

It's against talk guidelines to talk across threads. If you've an issue with that thread and article posted, discuss it there.

Well, maybe think harder before you quote someone in future.

And an awful lot of people who criticise Israel (not all, not by any means) are also very willing to believe anything Hamas tells them.

Given that some people when asked don't seem to know which river or which sea they are chanting about, it's probably a fair assumption that quite a few of them have no idea what Hamas believes.

You did it yourself when you spoke about students swallowing Hamas propaganda

fair assumption
An assumption all the same

That is not at all what I have said.

Honestly, I can never tell whether posts are deliberately misconstrued or just not read properly. Maybe it goes back to that "images and headlines" lack of attention that is very noticeable in younger people nowadays, sadly.

No, it's against talk guidelines to start a thread about a thread. I mean, there's been plenty of discussion in a couple of other threads about this thread, but for some reason that doesn't seem to be an issue?

I'm going with deliberate.

Your reading comprehension has to be pretty poor to conflate 'innocent civilians were killed' with 'a massacre took place'.

'Innocent civilians were killed': there was a battle between armed groups and uninvolved civilians were killed in the crossfire, bombing and shelling.
'A massacre took place': an armed group deliberately killed people who were not fighting back.

There are plenty of gay Palestinians, and to suggest the gay community should not support them is simply homophobic. Gay people have every right to support Palestinians and the gay community in Palestine. If they can not openly be gay in their society that is no reason for the gay community to abandon them - quite the opposite in fact. Palestinians are not a monolith by the way, and there are all sorts of views in their society.

Sorry are our “liberal prejudices” believing in human rights?

I am definitely not a hamas supporters. I can’t see any other hamas supporter on this thread. I wish people would move on from throwing out that accusation.

Would you leave the hostages with their captors hoping that Hamas would engage in meaningful good-faith diplomatic negotiations indefinitely?

At no point, literally no point, have I said that there are Hamas supporters on this thread.

Honestly, I give up.

@79Helene Thanks

It's also against TG to police threads but it's not worth getting into it.

Nobody has done that.

Let me put it on the thread for the THIRD time:
'Of course, that is no reason why gay people can't support Palestinian statehood,'

Indeed innocent uninvolved civilians were killed in the crossfire.

Therefore anyone using the term 'massacre' (as in deliberately went in to carry out a massacre) is using it incorrectly.

They have been with their captors since October, some were released after negotiations but no releases for a very long time so it's no surprise that a plan to rescue was carried out.

@Februaryfeels I apologise I wasn't accusing you of sock puppetting. I quoted your post for context on what was being agreed on.

@EdithStourton So why has it been said that gay people who support Palestine need educating? That is really quite offensive.