Israel rescues four hostages alive from Gaza who were captured by Hamas at Nova music festival on October 7 - including girl seen kidnapped on back of motorbike

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Well done Israel - fantastic, wonderful news
xxx

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13508615/Israel-rescues-four-hostages-alive-Gaza-Noa-Argamani-motorbike.html

Yet people bring up WW2, which my family lived through from the beginning to the end. One survived Auschwitz and the death march ( she even went back to the camp to get her diary, written on bits of stolen paper so people would know about it) and another was sent to a forced labour camp in Germany.
This "war" is also vastly different to WW2.

You need to speak to Netanyahu about IHL because he didn't read the memo.

Absolutely brilliant news, however the BBC reported they had been released, which they hadn't, they were rescued. Apparently, Hamas hid the hostages in civilian homes, I doubt the civilians had a choice, but could explain why the hostages look better than expected. Sadly one of the IDF died during the rescue mission.

That incredible, the bravery of them and the relief the hostages must have had when they got them.

@DownNative two for the price of one ;)

Here's the video of Andrey Kozlov seeing his mother for the first time:

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1799841531131748607

@DownNative

great posts.....keep them coming

@DownNative you’ve said this so many times. Could you at least admit that this is one particular viewpoint? A militaristic viewpoint to be honest. I’m absolutely certain that Boris would agree with you. But not everyone agrees with you by any means.

completely agree with you that proportionality isn’t about keeping tallies of numbers. It’s about ensuring the civilian cost of an attack does not outweigh the military advantage.

But whatever what you look at it, Isreal’s response has been disproportionate, I mean even the US, their steadfast supporters, agree. I think it’s very difficult to use international law In defense of Israel at this point.

https://x.com/standwithus/status/1799503162681753988?s=46

great video of her poster being removed from ambulances.

I disagree that the response has been disproportionate. It is a unique battleground where so much of the population are fighters.

I agree it hasn’t been proportionate and I agree that you can’t determine proportionality based on a tally, but the idea that numbers don’t matter is nonsense.

I actually said ‘numbers should be considered when deciding whether a response has been proportionate’.

It’s not just numbers which should be considered, when deciding upon proportionality, but strategic importance. Can going in hard today hasten the end of the war?

For the benefit for the world, Hamas simply cannot be allowed to win. Terrorists cannot raid peaceful music festivals, capture hostages and hold them. They cannot use people as human shields to avoid retaliation. They must be comprehensively vanquished and so any terrorists thinking of doing something similar will think again.

There’s no nice way to do it.

@SpottedLeopards That would be great, but I've not seen any terrorists identified and brought to trial. I have seen a lot of blown up kids though, and a whole area rendered uninhabitable. It just doesn't look like the right people are being punished at all.

My thoughts on the strategy, copied and pasted from another thread as it’s quite a bit to type again.

Israel’s response (govt) is not successfully managing security, it is breaking international law by decimating health services, creating man made malnutrition and disproportionately and indiscriminately killing civilians. Gaza is in ruins and the majority of the general population are internally displaced, traumatised and living in inhumane conditions. Not only are many members of Hamas still active, the response is sowing seeds of hate for Israel and creating the terrorists of tomorrow. The state of Israel is being investigated by the ICJ for potential genocide and the ICC are seeking to issue arrest warrants for Netanyahu, who has also been through his departments been trying to influence the legal process through intimidation. The response has the potential to destabilise the Middle East and countries world wide are pissed off with each other.

The response has not increased security. It has not been measured or effective. It has been running in tandem with genocidal messages delivered by members of the Israeli government. It is an absolute balls up.

There may be no nice way to do it, but there are nicer and better ways.

For the benefit of the world, Israeli government and Hamas must learn they can’t treat civilians this way.

Benny Gantz has resigned.

“Netanyahu is preventing us from advancing toward true victory. That is why we are leaving the emergency government today, with a heavy heart but with full confidence,” Gantz said at a televised news conference on Sunday.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/09/moderate-politician-benny-gantz-resigns-israeli-war-cabinet

New testimony from Noa Argamani:

“I was held at a wealthy family's home in Gaza. They kept telling me, 'You should thank God you're with us; there are far worse places.'

While I was there, they would open the door without knocking whenever they wanted me to clean the house.

When I was rescued, a soldier opened the door and said, 'Hello Noa, this is the IDF.' I thought he was joking, so I didn’t move.

Then he told me, 'I’m going to pick you up over my shoulder, is that okay?' That’s when I realized it was actually happening.

During the departure, the truck got stuck, and it was terrifying. The soldiers were so brave. It was a matter of a few seconds, and I might not have been here today.”

(Israeli News 12)

Thank you for posting this and getting the thread back on track after its derailment

Information here about the home where poor Noa was held hostage:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13510805/Noa-Argamani-home-held-hostage-kidnapped-Hamas-rescue-Israeli-special-forces.html

Thank you!!

So the rich gaza family was using her as a slave!!!

Only Lord knows what she had to endure in that room. Thanks heavens she is now home. Sending her love.

Here is Noa's untold captivity story - sorry if this has already been posted:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-805512

Rescued hostage Noa Argamani managed to avoid death four times during her kidnapping and while she was detained in Gaza captivity, according to a Channel 13 report from Saturday.

On the rare occasions that she was given the opportunity, she was allowed to go out disguised as an Arab woman. She was also allowed to shower, but this did not happen many times during the time she was held captive by the terrorist organization Hamas.
Edited to add more quotes

Devastating that the father of one of the hostages died just hours before his rescue. I can’t imagine how they’re feeling right now with both the highs of rescue and the lows of that. https://www.timesofisrael.com/father-of-hostage-almog-meir-jan-died-hours-before-sons-rescue-he-died-of-grief/

This was incredibly sad to read.

Indeed.
One even dread to think about it and IMO this is why they still hold young ladies
Evil bastards the lot of Hamas inc the "family" that held her