Israel rescues four hostages alive from Gaza who were captured by Hamas at Nova music festival on October 7 - including girl seen kidnapped on back of motorbike

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Well done Israel - fantastic, wonderful news
xxx

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13508615/Israel-rescues-four-hostages-alive-Gaza-Noa-Argamani-motorbike.html

Not debatable.

They negotiated the release of Gilad Shalit and as a result, Sinwar was free to plan October 7th. So completely unexpectedly (🙄), the result of negotiating with murderous, genocidal terrorists is more terrorism.

You might want a tally count kept, but that isn't how it works under IHL in real life conflicts.

These threads usually end up showing a clear disconnect between what a civilian thinks and what military regulated IHL states.

Families of military personnel understand the risks that comes with the job. I know that very well which I usually don't elaborate on.

Costs are always high in war which is why its always best NOT to start them, so everyone can slow clap Hamas for that on 7th October 2023.

There won't be any peace for anyone in the Middle East until/unless hostile States such as Iran and their terrorist proxies Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are comprehensively dealt with.

While that's still a threat, there won't be peace. Indeed, Hamas admitted they did what they did on 7th October 2023 in order to destroy Israeli peace efforts with Arab States. Saudi was the most recent normalisation of relations with.

Especially when the leaders of Hamas openly say this kind of thing. 👇

I don’t accept your interpretation that a tally of deaths is not kept or considered.

You did not respond to my earlier comment on how your perception of October 7th causing the ‘war,’ is based on your framing it as a single event, which is not preceded by, or followed by other factors which influenced the Israeli response.

Why is it that you think Iran has such a hold over Gaza? What factors do you think have enabled this?

No comments on the human rights abuses committed against Palestinians or Israel funding Hamas to cause division?

Don’t see these as having an impact?

Hell will freeze over before sources are provided.

Of course you don't! 🤦‍♂️

I have posted before what proportionality in IHL means which is different to how civilians understand it.

Hence, there's a disconnect there.

Oh, I had a reply typed up too - lost it. Have to start it again at some point. I'm not on a timer here..........RIGHT?! 🙈🤦‍♂️

What are they?

Well when you do have time to educate this mere civilian with your superior knowledge that can be used to excuse the mass deaths of men, women and children, please do be sure to tag me. I look forward
to to reading your comments which I am sure will not be biased. Perhaps you could also provide examples from the current conflict and relate them to previous cases.

Read up about how they treated Jewish people and camps during ww2.
I have and it doesn't mean the organisation is the same now.
Are you aware that the allies knew about the camps and did nothing because it was deemed that winning the war was more important?

Why wait for me when you could actually educate yourself on this kind of military operation?! 🤦‍♂️

I appreciate what you are doing on this thread @DownNative .

I thought you would enjoy the
opportunity! I am finding the way you try to belittle me while being very certain of yourself quite funny. I would prefer you to spoon feed me the information you think I need to agree with you.

Well the UK government negotiated with the IRA and the UVF. If you want peace, you don't talk to your friends, you talk to your enemies.

You can lead a horse to water...

Seconded.

As someone who doesn't visit the board often it's quite blatant (and sickening) what is going on.

Probably best you don't bring that one up! 🙈

You've got a very incomplete understanding of the road to the 1998 Belfast Agreement and to expand in detail on it would derail the thread.

Short story - PIRA, UVF and the rest were defeated. Most of them were in prison, a good chunk dead and an ageing, dwindling membership still walking the streets.

The role of intelligence agencies is very overlooked to get to that point.

You mistake me for someone who cares about changing your views. I don't!

Why would I be interested in that after years spent dealing with pro-terrorist propaganda online? 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️

That's not my style.

Cheers and to @Kianai! 👍

OK! Well I won’t take your ‘expert’ opinions at face value, especially if you can’t back them up, and you have a clear bias.

People should never be overly confident of their own version of reality.

Probably!

But best not to bring up an unrelated low level conflict into this one as they're vastly different!

One I and my family lived through from the beginning to the end.

The other we're all reading about from our armchairs.

It’s hilarious 😆 I’m not being horrible when I say this, I’m really not, but it’s so funny, I have become derailed from the seriousness of what we are discussing.

Feel free!

Everyone has a bias, but that alone doesn't mean someone is wrong.

I'm confident on what IHL states. 👍

Ok, I won’t respond to your comments anymore as this conversation is getting ridiculous. You keep dodging my questions and won’t provide further information when asked.

I will add my simple pleb notes as statements, feel free to ignore. You have my permission.