Israel rescues four hostages alive from Gaza who were captured by Hamas at Nova music festival on October 7 - including girl seen kidnapped on back of motorbike

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Well done Israel - fantastic, wonderful news
xxx

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13508615/Israel-rescues-four-hostages-alive-Gaza-Noa-Argamani-motorbike.html

British-Palestinian John Aziz is spot on. 👇

Also, US CENTCOM denies the humanitarian pier was used in Operation Summer Seeds.

Oops!

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/yaakov-argamani-tells-of-noas-meeting-with-terminally-ill-mother-i-believe-liora-understood/

“Her mother barely looked at Noa. This was not the reaction I was hoping for for the meeting after eight months. It was very difficult.”

I also don't know if it's been mentioned (sorry I don't have time to read the whole thread), but the father of Almog Meir Jan, who was also rescued, died of grief the night before his son was rescued.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/father-of-hostage-almog-meir-jan-died-hours-before-sons-rescue-he-died-of-grief/

😔We need a ceasefire deal. NOW.

Oh i love that.

Here is Andrey Kozlov with his loved ones: https://x.com/HeidiBachram/status/1799780622657098179

Oh lovely.

With all my heart I hope this horror can stop. It's all so unspeakable.

www.israelhayom.com/2024/06/09/report-former-hostage-noa-argamani-held-captive-in-al-jazeera-cameramans-house/

No I'm sorry. Nobody here has permission to just make any accusation they want.

I’m not sure that it’s dehumanising, because recognising the human cost to Palestinians is useful to Hamas.

And I don’t see why it needs to be a competition.

Both hiding in amongst civilians, and launching an operation which values the lives of certain people as being less than others, is cruel and unfair.

If someone makes it more difficult for you to behave in a moral or legal way, it doesn’t give you free rein to do what you want.

@HelenHen then complain to Mumsnet. I am happy with my sources. Thanks though :)

Some more information about the rescue, unverified though:

"Per Saudi news, some of the special forces that entered Nuseirat posed as displaced Gazans from Rafah.

The disguised forces arrived in a white car carrying mattresses on top, and the women were dressed in local attire.

Locals asked where they came from and they answered that they were escaping the IDF operation in Rafah, and had rented a place in the area around the market in Nuseirat, pointing at the building where Noa Argamani was being held.

The unit then split into two groups, each heading towards one of the two buildings, in preparation for the operation."

What do you mean by "launching an operation which values the lives of certain people as being less than others"?

Countries at war tend to prioritise their own civilians. That's kind of ... what war is.

But setting that aside: How do you defend yourself against an enemy that deliberately blurs the boundaries, so that it's impossible to know if the bloke in front of you is a civilian or a key player? And constantly positions itself to ensure maximum carnage among its own population?

Presumably for Hamas it's all a means to an end, and they have some notion of martyrs being rewarded in Paradise or some such bollocks. As a liberal, progressive, tolerant society, it's virtually impossible for us to picture what Hamas have in mind and what they are prepared to do to achieve it.

I can't quite imagine that level of courage and determination.

"I can't quite imagine that level of courage and determination."

Me neither, bloody marvellous!

I don’t believe that this rampage is making Israelis or Jewish people safer, but I will assume you do. In which case I ask you, as a follow on from you saying that countries prioritise their own civilians in war, how many innocent civilians are you willing to see die for the safety of Israelis and Jewish people?

Also, Israel are not defending themselves, they are attacking.

And, if Netanyahu was prioritising Israeli civilians and not himself, he would have agreed to a ceasefire.

You don’t respond to an enemy that will use deaths to highlight your cruelty and inhumanity, by launching a massive attack in which people are indiscriminately killed, denied healthcare, and left to slowly die from starvation and neglect.

You don’t defeat the enemy by giving the people in Gaza even more reasons to despise their neighbours.

Speaking of Francesa Albanese, 🇩🇪 Bundestag Foreign Affairs Committee's Frank Müller-Rosentritt has called for her to be removed from her UN Special Rapporteur role today.

It’s sad to see this thread has gone this way as per usual.

I don’t believe that this rampage is making Israelis or Jewish people safer, but I will assume you do. In which case I ask you, as a follow on from you saying that countries prioritise their own civilians in war, how many innocent civilians are you willing to see die for the safety of Israelis and Jewish people?
I'm not sure they will ever be safe, sadly. But your question is ridiculous. What on earth do you mean, how many am I willing to see die (as though I love the idea)? Do you think there's a kind of tally we should keep, a price that can be put on trying to protect your country from barbaric marauders under the direction of fascist lunatics with a thirst for world domination? Hamas have made no secret of their intention to eradicate Israel, nor of their delight in murdering Jews in the most sadistic ways imaginable.

Also, Israel are not defending themselves, they are attacking.
Oh, OK then. I must have imagined the whole miserable charade of 7 October etc. That was some nightmare! Thank goodness it wasn't real. 🤯

You haven't provided any sources. You literally said it is your opinion. You're basically spreading gossip.

I don’t think it’s a ridiculous question, I think it’s a difficult and uncomfortable one that you don’t even want to begin to answer.

Yes, a tally should be kept, and this tally should be used when considering whether the response has been proportionate.

Yes their is a price, the people in Gaza who are being murdered, the people in the West Bank who are being harassed, the people in Israel sent to fight, and the people who have left their homes on the borders of Israel, are paying the price. Everyone who has to live with the economic fall out and the damage done to the reputation of Israel will pay the price.

The Israeli who died in the hostage operation, and their family, paid the price.

The costs are too high and the benefits are too low. I believe there will be no peace for Israel without peace for Palestine, and while Israel is attacking Gaza, there is no peace.

That's not what I said at all and I provided information clearly not engineered by me. I am entitled to feel the way I do. Maybe enlighten yourself on the protests directed towards to the Red Cross in Israel. Read up about how they treated Jewish people and camps during ww2. This ain't their first rodeo.

I don't need your permission to post it. And I will continue to do so if I see fit.

This.

Just as a reminder, the cost of negotiating with terrorists has been October 7th.

That’s debatable. People in Gaza have had human rights abuses perpetrated against them for years. How much of a factor do
you think that is?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/06/04/israel-50-years-occupation-abuses

Or did you mean this? Negotiations done not in good faith and not with any interest in the rights and security of people living in Gaza. But in the interest of division and control.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/