Israel rescues four hostages alive from Gaza who were captured by Hamas at Nova music festival on October 7 - including girl seen kidnapped on back of motorbike

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Well done Israel - fantastic, wonderful news
xxx

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13508615/Israel-rescues-four-hostages-alive-Gaza-Noa-Argamani-motorbike.html

We were discussing an Al Jazeera journalist who is being reported as a Hamas terrorist holding hostages.
Your post is 'if only Israel had let international journalists into Gaza'

If you didn't intend to imply that it was Israel's fault that Al Jazeera hired a(n alleged) terrorist with your legitimate question, perhaps you should be clearer in what you did intend with that comment.

Facts speak for themselves. I don't argue with facts because it is foolish to do so.
One of the role of a government is to protect their citizens, don't you agree?
How would you feel, as a hostage or their family, when you had found out that the information was ignored? Would you want answers to your questions? I would.
Does this take the responsibility of what happened from Hamas? Of course not.

Or maybe you should try to avoid seeing things in my words that are not there.
We are both responsible.

Why did you comment 'if only Israel had let international journalists into Gaza' in the middle of a conversation about an Al Jazeera journalist allegedly working for Hamas then?

Baffling.

This guy in the attachments below? 👇

Indeed. Ignoring legitimate questions regarding the response of the Israeli government to the horrific events of that day, questions asked by the protesters in Tel Aviv, and the banning of international press is second to wanting to know why I posted at all.
Baffling.

I believe this is footage of Almog Meir Jan being reunited with family and friends after his rescue:

https://x.com/Israel/status/1799503964129423745

I've looked up Abdullah Aljamal's Al Jazeera contributions and can only find one article from 2019 so it would seem inaccurate to describe him as an Al Jazeera journalist (unless anyone can find more?)

He does however have regular articles in The Palestine Chronicle (which I've not heard of).

I don't understand why any sane person would think that this is an acceptable cartoon to draw - Noa was entirely a victim and had no agency in anything that happened:

https://x.com/Mahmoud3bbas/status/1799471026373546016

@LordPercyPercy wow.

@noblegiraffe the sources of the information are predominantly Arab and I can forward them to you if you like.

Have the courage of your opinions, please.

The antisemitic nature of deliberately depicting a Jew as a pig is just sickening. That guy has 20 thousand followers?

What do you mean, I refuse to care about them? Where did I say that?

I'm only stating the obvious, which is that Hamas are master manipulators. Their whole modus operandi is to ensure maximum civilian deaths. Then photojournalists, like the Al-Jazeera guy who was allegedly holding Noa captive, ensure that social media is flooded with incredibly distressing images of dead and dying children. It's a very effective way of horrifying us into pleading for a ceasefire, perhaps especially effective on a forum like MN, for obvious reasons.

Then you get people sincerely declaring things like "I want a ceasefire so that people in Palestine and Israel can live in peace and safety" - bless. If only that would be the outcome. No one really seems to give a toss what the consequences would be for Israel.

What do you mean? His Al Jazeera output is in Arabic?

He appears to have been part of the Hamas government of Gaza. 👇

https://www.newarab.com/news/gaza-workers-hope-better-life-after-working-israel

Of course, the avenue of working in Israel for a better life ìs now closed to Gazans as this was one of the ways Hamas used to acquire intel on areas inside Israel.

Hamas is clearly very, very detrimental to the quality of life, security and safety of Gazans. Yet they have 70% support amongst them.

If Gazans can be freed of Hamas, the long, hard work over the next fifty years on deradicalisation of Gazan society can begin.

Leave Hamas intact and they will continue as before.

Oh, you want an inquiry! Of course, there should be an inquiry to find out what happened and why and where any gaps or failures in the system are.

I'm still keen to know whether you are suggesting the possibility of a conspiracy though. If you could address this it would help clarify matters.

I will. I don't believe in conspiracies. I believe that any government should be accountable to their citizens. They should be transparent. I believe the Israeli government made mistakes and the Israeli people should be told about them.

Not this rubbish again. It's on every CITME thread and its nonsense. If you read these "articles", you will learn that "while the "Jericho Wall" document was shared around the Israeli military hierarchy, it is unclear whether Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his cabinet had consulted it." and "it was "not yet possible to determine" whether this plan had been "fully accepted" by the Hamas leadership and how it might work out in reality"

In the same way that there are millions of terrorists threats all around the world every year. You can't act on all of them!

Just another blatant attempt to derail on a hostage celebratory thread.Extraordinary.

What an inflammatory post. To directly accuse international aid agencies of being complicit in keeping hostages is just disgusting, and slanderous I'm sure.

No doubt the hostages will be able to confirm how many aid personnel they came into contact with. Until then keep those ridiculous accusations to yourself.

Please provide links to support your opinion, please.

Right so you're not blaming Israel for Al Jazeera hiring a terrorist, you're blaming Israel for October 7th. Why did you pick this thread to do that on?

Wow. Please go through my posts and point out where I said I blamed Israel. Good luck.