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Conflict in the Middle East

If all Palestinians leave Gaza, are Israel then allowed to claim the land?

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TERFCat · 19/05/2024 08:28

Sorry, for the simplicity of what I'm saying. I'm new to this and trying to learn. Smile

From what I've seen, many Palestinians in Gaza are being moved to camps elsewhere. Sadly, many have been killed too.

The photos of the area suggest that much of Gaza is ruined and will need to be re-built.

If hypothetically all Palestinians were moved elsewhere, would Israel then be able to "claim" Gaza? Would the UN etc be allowed to stop them? Would the West Bank be able to claim it?

Any insight appreciated?

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mollyfolk · 19/05/2024 08:40

Nobody supports Israel claiming the land in the Gaza - not the UN nor the US. This wouldn’t necessarily stop them though - they have been illegally occupying land for decades.

There is no clear plan for after the war.

BibiSuzanne · 19/05/2024 08:45

They would just take it and the world won't stop them. I mean, if the world can ignore the mass slaughter then empty land is nothing to think about.
They have already plans in place for Gaza. It's not top secret. A canal to compete against the Suez Canal, a super duper port, eyes on the oil reserves plus a holiday resort much like Dubai.
For those who doubt me, then do your own research. All this from Israeli sources.
Thank you op for taking an interest. This is what has been happening to us since 1948. Please do your research. As to the West Bank claiming it- impossible.

MountCaramel · 19/05/2024 08:45

I think that is the ultimate goal for Netanyahu and what his right wing government are working towards. The illegal settlers are also claiming land by stealth and within a few years Palestine will be gone. It doesn't matter what the rest of the world think, Netanyahu has his own agenda to fulfill.

Scirocco · 19/05/2024 08:49

They would just take it.

And the US and UK would veto any efforts to prevent that happening.

LauraNorda · 19/05/2024 08:51

Israel left Gaza completely in 2005. Removed by force all Jewish settlers and even took all the Jewish graves.

Israel is not interested in Gaza.

LauraNorda · 19/05/2024 08:56

BibiSuzanne · 19/05/2024 08:45

They would just take it and the world won't stop them. I mean, if the world can ignore the mass slaughter then empty land is nothing to think about.
They have already plans in place for Gaza. It's not top secret. A canal to compete against the Suez Canal, a super duper port, eyes on the oil reserves plus a holiday resort much like Dubai.
For those who doubt me, then do your own research. All this from Israeli sources.
Thank you op for taking an interest. This is what has been happening to us since 1948. Please do your research. As to the West Bank claiming it- impossible.

Thats hilarious.

Just look at the geography. Where is a canal starting in Gaza going to go? What oil reserves are in Gaza? Israel already has 4 or 5 seaports. What use is one more?

SilverBranchGoldenPears · 19/05/2024 08:58

This is a fair question I think, as in the end black and white is what conducts history. I guess this is the history of the West Bank for all eternity and that of all land. People move in/out/invasions happen and land then belongs to someone else. I think that is what would happen and no one would do or say anything.

Aaron95 · 19/05/2024 08:59

Israel has been claiming parts of Gaza and the West Bank for decades. They evict the people living there and simply build houses for their own people to live in.

BibiSuzanne · 19/05/2024 09:00

Yes. Just as hilarious as 'a land without a people for a people without a land'.
So if they don't Gaza why were the settlers there in the first place and are ready to move in again?

BibiSuzanne · 19/05/2024 09:01

Don't WANT Gaza meant to say.

user1471505356 · 19/05/2024 09:04

That is happening now in the West Bank.

mollyfolk · 19/05/2024 09:05

LauraNorda · 19/05/2024 08:51

Israel left Gaza completely in 2005. Removed by force all Jewish settlers and even took all the Jewish graves.

Israel is not interested in Gaza.

Gaza is considered occupied under international law because of the control that Israel maintained over the airspace, water and movement of all people and goods.

Many in the Israeli government do seem very interested in having military rule in Gaza.

But we are non the wiser anyway - as there is no post war plan.

LauraNorda · 19/05/2024 09:48

BibiSuzanne · 19/05/2024 09:00

Yes. Just as hilarious as 'a land without a people for a people without a land'.
So if they don't Gaza why were the settlers there in the first place and are ready to move in again?

Can you provide a link to any credible source for any of your claims?

LauraNorda · 19/05/2024 09:55

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sleepyscientist · 19/05/2024 09:57

@LauraNorda it the Gurion canal plan that had been floating round since the 1960's. I'm all for current Israel and Palestine to be combined into one none religious state but the canal seems like an uneconomically viable project considering the costs of war.

mollyfolk · 19/05/2024 09:59

Still, Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Lovely! Maybe Israel should kill them all just to be sure so. Sounds like you think they deserve it.

LauraNorda · 19/05/2024 10:01

sleepyscientist · 19/05/2024 09:57

@LauraNorda it the Gurion canal plan that had been floating round since the 1960's. I'm all for current Israel and Palestine to be combined into one none religious state but the canal seems like an uneconomically viable project considering the costs of war.

That is simply a proposal from the 1960s. Looking at the map in the link below, the proposed canal is entirely on Israeli territory so if they wanted to build it, they would have at least started by now.

https://www.newarab.com/news/what-israels-ben-gurion-canal-plan-and-why-gaza-matters

What is Israel's Ben Gurion canal plan and why Gaza matters

As Israel intensifies its Gaza onslaught, focus turns to the controversial Ben Gurion Canal Project, originally proposed in the 1960s as an alternative to the Suez Canal.

https://www.newarab.com/news/what-israels-ben-gurion-canal-plan-and-why-gaza-matters

BibiSuzanne · 19/05/2024 10:46

@LauraNorda Nope!! You can do your own research. It's all out there.

LauraNorda · 19/05/2024 10:56

BibiSuzanne · 19/05/2024 10:46

@LauraNorda Nope!! You can do your own research. It's all out there.

Yeah, figures. Complete pie in the sky.

BibiSuzanne · 19/05/2024 10:59

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Livelovebehappy · 19/05/2024 11:05

They would just take it. And hopefully the palestines would then realise that it was Hamas who handed it to Israel on a plate. All because they felt like raping and murdering some israeli festival goers....

Scirocco · 19/05/2024 11:18

LauraNorda · 19/05/2024 09:48

Can you provide a link to any credible source for any of your claims?

@LauraNorda what would you like?

There is considerable evidence of the existence of Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip prior to their previous withdrawal. This can be confirmed by eyewitness accounts, satellite imagery of that time, government records, etc.

There have been repeated calls from politicians (including members of the current Israeli government), settler movements and others for the re-establishment of Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip upon completion of the current military activity there. These have been widely documented in mainstream media.

There have been multiple records of significant politicians and business figures discussing the potential value of the land and sea for Israel, including members of the Israeli parliament and even the Trumps. This includes the basic value of coastal land in the region, facilitating access to maritime resources, strategic value, and the Ben Gurion canal proposals (I'll attach a link to an article that explains some of the potential value of the canal - the map with the article goes around the outside of Gaza, but there is a proposal that routing through Gaza would be more cost-effective and politically palatable).

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-ben-gurion-canal-vision-amidst-upheaval/

Liv999 · 19/05/2024 12:11

The Israelis wouldn't be allowed to but they would still do it, they've been doing it for years but are still called a democratic country for some reason

OneGreenPlayer · 25/05/2024 16:46

LauraNorda · 19/05/2024 08:51

Israel left Gaza completely in 2005. Removed by force all Jewish settlers and even took all the Jewish graves.

Israel is not interested in Gaza.

Israel never left completely. They still control the water, power and food supplies. Israel has imprisoned the Palestinians in Gaza by destroying their airport and blocking the port. There are already plans to build houses in Gaza and the illegal settlers are quite open about it.

Auvergne63 · 25/05/2024 17:14

Livelovebehappy · 19/05/2024 11:05

They would just take it. And hopefully the palestines would then realise that it was Hamas who handed it to Israel on a plate. All because they felt like raping and murdering some israeli festival goers....

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. I hope it's the former.