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Conflict in the Middle East

Syria

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mids2019 · 19/05/2024 07:00

Has Syria been forgotten and who is to blame for civilian deaths in this region. It is Assad or rebel groups?

(Its a conflict in the middle East with huge civilian casualties but doesn't involve Israel so I guess this thread will for a death)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#:~:text=The%20Syrian%20civil%20war%20(Arabic,sponsored%20and%20non%2Dstate%20actors.

Syrian civil war - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#:~:text=The%20Syrian%20civil%20war%20(Arabic,sponsored%20and%20non%2Dstate%20actors.

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Lalgarh · 09/12/2024 11:16

Syrian journalist was on Woman's Hour just now.

The promises of this new guy don't seem to be borne out by recent practice of HTS.

There is an HTS run prison in Idlib. A few weeks ago the wives of (political/ opposition) inmates held a protest outside. HTS forces stoned them.

OchaLove · 09/12/2024 11:31

Lalgarh · 09/12/2024 11:07

Is that Scott Ritter

there are two analysts, yes, the second one is scott ritter

OchaLove · 09/12/2024 11:32

quantumbutterfly · 09/12/2024 10:58

I can see why you find that interesting.

I find it interesting because the first analyst says USA, UK, Turkey and Israel are all in it.

UnsympatheticCharacter · 09/12/2024 11:43

OchaLove · 09/12/2024 10:40

An interesting analysis of the situation:

You might want to look into who Scott Ritter is!!!!!

Or should we be listening to what Gary Glitter has to say about Syria, too?

Lalgarh · 09/12/2024 11:57

UnsympatheticCharacter · 09/12/2024 11:43

You might want to look into who Scott Ritter is!!!!!

Or should we be listening to what Gary Glitter has to say about Syria, too?

Ritter was alluded to in this video by an ex war correspondent someone linked to y day

Quite a lot of ppl on the hard left and hard right were partial to old Bash.

Rvd Giles Fraser (him from moral maze) and Ritter alongside Gorgeous George Galloway.
The Gorrilaz played gigs there and Bard Pitt and Angelina Jolie were guests of theirs too

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2012/feb/23/brad-pitt-angelina-jolie-assads

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BoydTheApe · 09/12/2024 11:57

OchaLove · 09/12/2024 10:40

An interesting analysis of the situation:

Why would anyone find what a couple of racist Putin-lovers have to say interesting, especially when one of them is also a paedophile.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/12/2024 12:06

UnsympatheticCharacter · 09/12/2024 11:43

You might want to look into who Scott Ritter is!!!!!

Or should we be listening to what Gary Glitter has to say about Syria, too?

Unfortunately life produces humans who may be utterly reprehensible on one level, but right on another:

Excerpt from
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/magazine/scott-ritter.html

He was caught as a pedophile by an undercover policeman who was on line as a 15 year old girl.
The perpetrator turned himself in almost immediately. Delmarm4fun, it turned out, was Scott Ritter, one of the most controversial figures in American foreign policy for the past decade and a half. It was Ritter, a former Marine major and United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq, who quit the U.N. inspection team in 1998 and railed against Saddam Hussein’s government for misleading inspectors and scamming the international community.And it was Ritter who then did an about-face and emerged, during the long period that led to the war, as the loudest and most credible skeptic of the Bush administration’s contention that Hussein was hiding weapons of mass destruction. In a bizarre moment in 2002, Ritter even made the long journey back to Baghdad to address the Iraqi Parliament as a private citizen, warning that his own country was about to make a “historical mistake” and urging the Iraqis to allow inspections to resume. For this, and for his relentless insistence that the presence of hidden W.M.D.’s was nothing but a political pretense for war, Ritter was dismissed and even mocked by much of the media establishment (including writers for this magazine and The New York Times).

and,

In Ritter’s case, the public vindication to which he would seem entitled — and which he has never quite received — has now been replaced by a very public disgrace, his life having slowly come undone in the years after the invasion. “It’s tragic,” Seymour Hersh, The New Yorker’s investigative reporter, said when we spoke this fall. Hersh grew close to Ritter in the late ’90s and appeared as a character witness at his trial in Pennsylvania last April. “He understands the Arab world in a way that few Westerners I know do. You have no idea how smart he is.”

BoydTheApe · 09/12/2024 12:44

ScrollingLeaves · 09/12/2024 12:06

Unfortunately life produces humans who may be utterly reprehensible on one level, but right on another:

Excerpt from
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/magazine/scott-ritter.html

He was caught as a pedophile by an undercover policeman who was on line as a 15 year old girl.
The perpetrator turned himself in almost immediately. Delmarm4fun, it turned out, was Scott Ritter, one of the most controversial figures in American foreign policy for the past decade and a half. It was Ritter, a former Marine major and United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq, who quit the U.N. inspection team in 1998 and railed against Saddam Hussein’s government for misleading inspectors and scamming the international community.And it was Ritter who then did an about-face and emerged, during the long period that led to the war, as the loudest and most credible skeptic of the Bush administration’s contention that Hussein was hiding weapons of mass destruction. In a bizarre moment in 2002, Ritter even made the long journey back to Baghdad to address the Iraqi Parliament as a private citizen, warning that his own country was about to make a “historical mistake” and urging the Iraqis to allow inspections to resume. For this, and for his relentless insistence that the presence of hidden W.M.D.’s was nothing but a political pretense for war, Ritter was dismissed and even mocked by much of the media establishment (including writers for this magazine and The New York Times).

and,

In Ritter’s case, the public vindication to which he would seem entitled — and which he has never quite received — has now been replaced by a very public disgrace, his life having slowly come undone in the years after the invasion. “It’s tragic,” Seymour Hersh, The New Yorker’s investigative reporter, said when we spoke this fall. Hersh grew close to Ritter in the late ’90s and appeared as a character witness at his trial in Pennsylvania last April. “He understands the Arab world in a way that few Westerners I know do. You have no idea how smart he is.”

I wouldn't trust anyone that gar up Lutin's are so to be right about anything, especially when he also supports Hamas. Being a child abuser isn't the only way he's a despicable human being.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/12/2024 13:03

BoydTheApe · 09/12/2024 12:44

I wouldn't trust anyone that gar up Lutin's are so to be right about anything, especially when he also supports Hamas. Being a child abuser isn't the only way he's a despicable human being.

I wouldn't trust anyone that gar up Lutin's

There must be a typo here, but I couldn’t understand what you meant @BoydTheApe

I don’t know anything about him other than what is written in the NY Times 2012 article I just read and posted on this thread. But whatever he is like, or whatever his views on Hamas, I do trust that he was proven right about there not having been “Weapons of Mass Destruction”. e.g someone can be awful and yet right about something.

The NY Times article wrote that he was very knowledgeable about The Middle East. So maybe he is worth listening to, even if to disagree.

nomoretoriesforme · 09/12/2024 13:05

Libya 2 scenario here - you got a film director ( USA), you got actors - isis jihadists ( who only a year ago were called terrorists by western media), Turkey ( easy power grab, own interests), etc..
The bottom line - it will spectacularly backfire on us here.. more terrorism, higher inflation, etc..

nomoretoriesforme · 09/12/2024 13:26

Forgot to add the most important thing- it will become an open prison for women of Syria , same way like Afghanistan.
So yes, total mess due to the westerns greed for power and oil...

quantumbutterfly · 09/12/2024 13:31

ScrollingLeaves · 09/12/2024 13:03

I wouldn't trust anyone that gar up Lutin's

There must be a typo here, but I couldn’t understand what you meant @BoydTheApe

I don’t know anything about him other than what is written in the NY Times 2012 article I just read and posted on this thread. But whatever he is like, or whatever his views on Hamas, I do trust that he was proven right about there not having been “Weapons of Mass Destruction”. e.g someone can be awful and yet right about something.

The NY Times article wrote that he was very knowledgeable about The Middle East. So maybe he is worth listening to, even if to disagree.

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Depends if you view chemical weapons as WMD as there are many reports that Saddam used those against Kurds.

Daftasabroom · 09/12/2024 13:42

quantumbutterfly · 09/12/2024 11:09

A thoughtful analysis. Interesting.

Very interesting.

UnsympatheticCharacter · 09/12/2024 13:52

nomoretoriesforme · 09/12/2024 13:26

Forgot to add the most important thing- it will become an open prison for women of Syria , same way like Afghanistan.
So yes, total mess due to the westerns greed for power and oil...

That’s an absolutely mental perspective, you must be a full on far left lunatic?

Not everything is about the West!

Lalgarh · 09/12/2024 14:01

In a roundabout way Ritter et Al might have been right about Iraq (though adherents to the wmd belief claim that Saddam's chemical stockpile was whisked away to, yup , Syria).. remember the George Clooney film Syriana? It's about a plot by neocons to manufacture a casus belli to invade Syria.

When the reports of chemical weapons started surfacing in Syria c. 2013, lots and lots of ppl went stopped clock and insisted that the footage was faked and these were the "crisis actors" . This was the default position of an awful lot of twitter warriors on both left and right like Ritter and iirc Glenn Greenwald.

The "crisis actors" standby then got bound up by wider stuff trump capitalised on like "fake news", or ppl claiming jihadist attacks in Europe etc were false flags, etc

nomoretoriesforme · 09/12/2024 14:04

@UnsympatheticCharacter I wish I was! I'm not... It must be hard to swallow the truth for you! Daffodil

BoydTheApe · 09/12/2024 14:17

ScrollingLeaves · 09/12/2024 13:03

I wouldn't trust anyone that gar up Lutin's

There must be a typo here, but I couldn’t understand what you meant @BoydTheApe

I don’t know anything about him other than what is written in the NY Times 2012 article I just read and posted on this thread. But whatever he is like, or whatever his views on Hamas, I do trust that he was proven right about there not having been “Weapons of Mass Destruction”. e.g someone can be awful and yet right about something.

The NY Times article wrote that he was very knowledgeable about The Middle East. So maybe he is worth listening to, even if to disagree.

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Sorry, that should be far. He's far up Putin's arse.

Even a stopped antisemite is right twice a day. Shouldn't mean we should pay them any attention.

SharonEllis · 09/12/2024 17:11

nomoretoriesforme · 09/12/2024 13:26

Forgot to add the most important thing- it will become an open prison for women of Syria , same way like Afghanistan.
So yes, total mess due to the westerns greed for power and oil...

If the men of syria decide to turn syria into an 'open prison' for women how the hell is that the fault of the west? Or are you in favour of western intervention to stop that hapening?

mids2019 · 09/12/2024 17:22

I wonder what people's views on Assad's downfall will be like across the world?

The sheer evil of the regime looking at images of the prisons online shows that there are problems in the middle East other than Gaza. The fact that a Muslim Arab leader tortured and killed tens of thousands seems to have curiously bypassed the attentions of those who only want to portray Netanyahu as the bad guy of the middle East

We need to see the ICC pursue prosecution against Assad in Moscow (living quite the life) even in abstentia or the international judicial systems looks utterly anti Semitic

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Dulra · 09/12/2024 17:58

Listening to Syrians being interviewed on the radio speaking of disbelief and celebration that he's gone but also fear of the trauma to come when the truth of all he's done becomes known.
Such a vulnerable space for them I hope they get support and stability to heal from it.

Dulra · 09/12/2024 18:02

mids2019 · 09/12/2024 17:22

I wonder what people's views on Assad's downfall will be like across the world?

The sheer evil of the regime looking at images of the prisons online shows that there are problems in the middle East other than Gaza. The fact that a Muslim Arab leader tortured and killed tens of thousands seems to have curiously bypassed the attentions of those who only want to portray Netanyahu as the bad guy of the middle East

We need to see the ICC pursue prosecution against Assad in Moscow (living quite the life) even in abstentia or the international judicial systems looks utterly anti Semitic

Seems to have curiously bypassed the attentions of those who only want to portray Netanyahu as the bad guy of the middle East

Where are getting this from? I have not come across anyone who has not viewed Assad and his brutal regime as anything but. He has been prosecuted for war crimes time and again and has arrest warrants out against him but he's being protected by Putin. This thread is about Syria let's not deflect back to Netanyahu

mollyfolk · 09/12/2024 18:14

Would you give over. There are international sanctions on Iran and Afghanistan and widespread criticism from western countries.

But absolutely agree with you on the ICC. Isn't there a warrant out for putin himself though?

SharonEllis · 09/12/2024 18:17

Dulra · 09/12/2024 18:02

Seems to have curiously bypassed the attentions of those who only want to portray Netanyahu as the bad guy of the middle East

Where are getting this from? I have not come across anyone who has not viewed Assad and his brutal regime as anything but. He has been prosecuted for war crimes time and again and has arrest warrants out against him but he's being protected by Putin. This thread is about Syria let's not deflect back to Netanyahu

We literally had someone say that Assad would not measure up to Netayahu's crimes, or something along those lines. And we endlessly have people exveptionalising the gaza conflict in a whole variety of ways.

Whatsinanamehey · 09/12/2024 18:24

The fact that a Muslim Arab leader tortured and killed tens of thousands seems to have curiously bypassed the attentions of those who only want to portray Netanyahu as the bad guy of the middle East

I have to disagree with this. In 2012 when the uprising first started there was ALOT of attention both in the muslim and non Muslim world on Assad and his horrific crimes. (Barring those who supported him like the Iranian regime, Russia etc) now that he has toppled there is still alot of attention. I know you don't like Al jazeera but they have not been doing non stop coverage of the conflict including exposing all the torture Chambers and crimes. It hasn't bypassed anyone except those who support him.

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