Syria

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Has Syria been forgotten and who is to blame for civilian deaths in this region. It is Assad or rebel groups?

(Its a conflict in the middle East with huge civilian casualties but doesn't involve Israel so I guess this thread will for a death)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war#:~:text=The%20Syrian%20civil%20war%20(Arabic,sponsored%20and%20non%2Dstate%20actors.

@marmaladeandpeanutbutter

"Just what the Syrian people need! An Israeli bombing attack, which is becoming less targeted, and now includes some ports, and the navy. "

Firstly it's not just Israel but also the US and Turkey doing the same thing.

Secondly are you happy seeing advanced weapons, ammunition, naval vessels and MIG 29 aircraft falling into the hands of HTS that until recently was affiliated with Al Qaeda .

I mean what could possibly go wrong?

Israel is destroying the former regime’s military capabilities, including the chemical weapons Assad used on his own people. Ensuring those don’t fall into the hands of unpredictable rebel groups makes everyone safer but particularly Israel, which is surrounded by hostile states.
And let’s not forget that a large part of the reason the rebels were able to defeat Assad’s forces was that Israel had decimated Hezbollah. Israel is not a ‘rogue state’ but there is a very real risk of Syria becoming a failed state like Libya and Iraq.

Israel do not want Syria's military assets used against them. In the absence of a Syrian government with capacity and will to respond, it is being "neutralised".

I hope that the quick installation of an acting PM, who has run the province of Idlib, apparently increasingly well with help from Turkey, that HTS are acting in good faith. Nobody is expecting a Parliamentary democracy immediately but the country has been so ill-governed for 50 years that not being run by fear and the secret police on whispers and lies sounds better. Get the shops and markets open, secure the food supply so there's flour, oil and veg to buy; then get the power systems up and running, and phones, re-open schools and hospitals. Re-tarmac the airport runways. Reassure the population that justice is not vindictive.

This could be the start of something much better for Syria and its neighbour states well done, but there's always the risk that it won't happen.

And there are loads of threads about Israel so let’s keep this one about Syria

Yea, so they say.

I said myself this thread wasn't about Israel , but unfortunately they stuck their noses in it.

I do think that in talking about Syria, it is fair to discuss any military actions another country takes there. It would be odd to omit them.

Points taken and I absolutely do not want to derail this into yet another Israel bashing thread. I’m hoping they are doing this to open negotiations with HTS from a position of strength but then will back off if and when it becomes clear the new Syrian government isn’t pursuing an anti Zionist agenda.

I don't think HTS will want another war but I don't see them being allies with Israel. Also Israel have also crossed the buffer zone into Syria, this is unacceptable and I'm glad atleast the Arab states are condemning it.

It is a blatant act of exploiting the current instability in Syria.

It is blatant and you don't negotiate by bombing. They're idiots, frankly.

Yes, how dare they 'stick their noses' into the fact that a bunch of terrorists next door to them, who have openly stated that they plan to take jerusalem amongst other places in order to set up a caliphate, could have access to chemical and other weapons 🙄They are doing what any country would do, and as has been pointed out, they aren't alone.

Turkey has been occupying parts of northern Syria since 2016 and targeting Kurds. Interesting there’s been no condemnation of that on this thread. I wonder why 🙄

Are you referring to HTS as a bunch of terrorists? Thankfully the international community and citizens of Syria do seem to be giving them a cautious benefit of the doubt. I don't think it does any favours for Syrians to be condemning their potential future government in this way. The prime minister of Syria's new transitional government, Mohammed al-Bashir, has said it is time for people to "enjoy stability and calm" and I think the international community need to facilitate and support that happening. The rights and wrongs of what Israel are doing are unclear to me but I have not seen anything but dismay and criticism from spokespeople, UN and Syrians on it. It has yet to be discovered whether there are any chemical weapons left, it is believed that many were handed over with the deal done under the Obama administration.
It certainly does not put much faith in the future for Syria and cannot be described as self defence because Israel has not been attacked. Preempting something is not defence.

@Firealarm1414 i don’t think they have. Israel needs to stay out of other countries. Nobody trusts their motives any more, whatever their apologists say.

Yes and that has not been condoned but Isreal and turkey were attacking Iran backed groups. Assad is now gone and a government is looking to get established, Israel could be viewed as attacking the future government of Syria and their right to hold military defences. They need to stop and give this a chance not undermine it. Syrian citizens so far seem to be supporting the temporary government the international community need to as well.

Yeah the situation of the Kurds is extremely worrying. Few Christian Syrians women have said they’ve been stopped in the street and questioned and told to cover their heads on twitter.

The Israelis have actually done the right thing, there are multiple factions fighting inside Syria including Isis (which also why Turkey needs to pack it in, Kurds are guarding Isis members, theres a chance Isis will take advantage and attack the prisons, who needs a bunch of fanatics on the loose in east Syria).

There are too many weapons available with no real guarantee that whoever ultimately wins is not a threat ti their neighbours, including Iraq and Lebanon btw. It’s not worth sitting back and watching to be nice to then find you have a bunch of Jihadis with naval and air capabilities, that would just be spectacularly stupid.

Turks have actually been attacking Kurds, just Kurds, which doesn’t actually help anyone other than Turkey. The SNA fighters looted damascus when they got there and have been filmed shooting wounded soldiers in hospitals. Lovely.

Trigger warning there are some horrific details in here. How humans can be so cruel to other humans is beyond me. This leaves the question that how will there be a smooth transition of power when those who were complicit in these acts are still in Syria. Are they supposed to just be forgiven and forgotten? Will there be any attempt at holding them to account?

https://news.sky.com/story/desperate-families-look-through-body-bags-in-search-for-loved-ones-in-syrian-morgues-13270947

Nice twisting the narrative. When Israel attacks civilian facilities it's all Hamas or Hezbollah. When Turkey attacks YPG's only military facilities only according to you it's all Kurds.

Someone up thread was fretting about the faction that's taken over being labelled as terrorists.

Well... The leader Al-joulani is mentioned as the leader in this 2014 article as leading Isis affiliate Jabat Al Nusra. Isis.not Al Qaeda which is demonic enough.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631

They may be saying All The Right Things currently but there's still a lot to wait and see

Btw, I'm suspecting that this account User37482 might a chatbot. Seriously. In this thread, previously, after I sent a message, this account managed to send a very long response (355 words) within a minute, which doesn't seem possible for a human. If there is another explanation, I would like to hear.

If anyone wonders, it's in this same thread,
at the end of page 5 you'll see my message at OchaLove · 09/12/2024 05:41 then at top of page 6 you'll see response (355 words) from this account at :
User37482 · 09/12/2024 05:42

@OchaLove

"Nice twisting the narrative. When Israel attacks civilian facilities it's all Hamas or Hezbollah. When Turkey attacks YPG's only military facilities only according to you it's all Kurds"

Another twist of the narrative perhaps?

When Israel attacks Lebanon or Gaza it's only "civilian facilities " according to you but when Turkey attacks Kurdish areas of Syria then it's only the YPG and not Kurdish civilians...

www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20241024-at-least-a-dozen-civilians-killed-in-turkish-strikes-says-kurdish-led-syria-force

I wonder what is driving your opinion on Israel?

Unless MN can tell otherwise then please can we delete posts accusing others of being "Chatbots".

Thanks

@Xenia that article is about permanent immigration to OECD countries and the numbers exclude refugees, asylum seekers and students. So it’s basically saying that out of the 38 OECD countries Britain came second in handing out residence permits to legal immigrants in 2022.

December 2022 was the deadline for EU citizens in the U.K. applying for settled status so hardly surprising that 2022 saw a big spike in permanent immigration numbers (in reality people who had lived in the U.K. but we’re now regularising their status). Of course the Telegraph completely fail to mention this in the article you linked to.

Besides which, none of this has anything to do with Syria or asylum seekers.

How can a person write 355 words, not random, with well structured sentences within a minute? Is this humanely possible?