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Conflict in the Middle East

UK revokes visa of law student who addressed pro-Palestine protest

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NotSoBigCrocodile · 17/05/2024 13:56

With all the recent threads about the protests, I wonder what everyone thinks about the U.K. Government revoking the visa of 19 year old law student Dana Abuqamar. She said that:

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental human right, but it seems to not apply to ethnic minorities, particularly Muslims and Palestinians like myself.”

She is challenging the decision and has accused the U.K. of hypocrisy. These are her comments, which she said have been taken out of context:

https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

I always see written on Mumsnet that “freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.”

Do you think the Government’s decision is the correct one?

x.com

https://x.com/australianwoma1/status/1791064513321795956

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quantumbutterfly · 19/05/2024 13:40

Sadly, leaving well alone is not an option when people want to bring trouble to you.

Lockerbie happened under Gaddafi's watch.

suburburban · 19/05/2024 13:44

quantumbutterfly · 19/05/2024 13:40

Sadly, leaving well alone is not an option when people want to bring trouble to you.

Lockerbie happened under Gaddafi's watch.

Yes it did, so what should the UK have done.

UK can't win

suburburban · 19/05/2024 13:45

It was more my frustration with hearing g the constant berating of the UK in these threads yet people want to come here so we can't be that bad

Toomanywars · 31/10/2024 06:40

Lovelyview · 17/05/2024 15:09

She is here on a student visa. The day after Hamas massacred 1,200 people in Israel, raped Israeli women and took others hostage she said: she was “really full of joy” and “proud that Palestinian resistance has come to this point.' As @Zimunya said, she had to declare on her visa application that she doesn't support terrorism yet clearly supports Hamas which is a proscribed terrorist organisation in the UK. I see no reason why she should be allowed to stay in the UK.

This.

Pride and joy the day after the rapes, massacre of families and festival goers and hostage taking. Rape is NEVER resistance.

What a vile individual. Not welcome. Leave the country. Terrorist supporters are not welcome.

Toomanywars · 31/10/2024 06:41

Awful decision. Pride and joy.

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 06:43

She said "We are full of pride, we are really, full of joy at what has happened”

Its complete nonsense to claim that this could be misinterpreted.

Toomanywars · 31/10/2024 06:54

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 06:43

She said "We are full of pride, we are really, full of joy at what has happened”

Its complete nonsense to claim that this could be misinterpreted.

She needs putting on the watch list if they have decided she can stay.

quantumbutterfly · 31/10/2024 08:38

She doesn't seem stupid enough not to have realised hamas role in 7/10.

Her linkedin profile is interesting, very bright, very energetic.
Perhaps she should include some intercommunity faith groups in her purview, meet some peace loving Israelis to balance her outlook. Let's hope she uses her brilliance to advocate for a peaceful 2 state solution.

The report says she has Jordanian/Canadian citizenship, I wonder how many generations.

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 10:26

Abuqamar, who has lost 15 relatives in Gaza since Israel began its bombardment of the besieged enclave.

15 relatives killed in a year, it's hard to comprehend that level of loss.

inamarina · 31/10/2024 11:45

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 06:43

She said "We are full of pride, we are really, full of joy at what has happened”

Its complete nonsense to claim that this could be misinterpreted.

Exactly. It’s absolutely mind boggling.
So she said on October 8th last year that she was “full of joy at what has happened”, yet she somehow manages to simultaneously claim that “I never have or never will condone harm to innocent civilians”?
Blatant gaslighting, or does she truly believe none of the people killed, raped, taken hostage on October 7th were innocent? What does she think happened that day? What was she referring to and being “proud of”?

DiamondGoldandSilver · 31/10/2024 11:51

This is where we need to have legislation which prevents human rights arguments from overriding visa decisions. Staying in the UK on a visa is a privilege. The government needs to be able to revoke visas where the individual is supporting terrorism, and it should be able to do so without qualification. In Australia there is a general ‘good character’ requirement for visas. We should have the same requirement here.

Beyondthedarksun · 31/10/2024 13:55

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 10:26

Abuqamar, who has lost 15 relatives in Gaza since Israel began its bombardment of the besieged enclave.

15 relatives killed in a year, it's hard to comprehend that level of loss.

Plenty of people lost multiple relatives during the terrorist attack that filles her with so much pride and joy.

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:10

Beyondthedarksun · 31/10/2024 13:55

Plenty of people lost multiple relatives during the terrorist attack that filles her with so much pride and joy.

I'm not sure what point you are try to make with this post in relation to mine, perhaps you can expand on it? 'Plenty of people' lose multiple relatives so we should harden our hearts to it or what?

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 14:32

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:10

I'm not sure what point you are try to make with this post in relation to mine, perhaps you can expand on it? 'Plenty of people' lose multiple relatives so we should harden our hearts to it or what?

Perhaps you can expand on your point? If I understand the timeline she was expressing her joy at October 7 before she lost relatives in Gaza.

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:35

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 14:32

Perhaps you can expand on your point? If I understand the timeline she was expressing her joy at October 7 before she lost relatives in Gaza.

My point was that losing 15 relatives is an incredible loss. Beyond anything I can imagine and at the age of 19 too. It's awful isn't it?

inamarina · 31/10/2024 14:41

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:35

My point was that losing 15 relatives is an incredible loss. Beyond anything I can imagine and at the age of 19 too. It's awful isn't it?

Of course it’s awful. What does it have to do with her expressing her joy right after October 7th though?

Beyondthedarksun · 31/10/2024 14:42

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:10

I'm not sure what point you are try to make with this post in relation to mine, perhaps you can expand on it? 'Plenty of people' lose multiple relatives so we should harden our hearts to it or what?

I'm saying that she clearly has no sympathy for people who have aso lost relatives. In fact she thinks it's a good thing.

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:55

inamarina · 31/10/2024 14:41

Of course it’s awful. What does it have to do with her expressing her joy right after October 7th though?

It was in the article that was posted. I was commenting on the article.

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:58

Beyondthedarksun · 31/10/2024 14:42

I'm saying that she clearly has no sympathy for people who have aso lost relatives. In fact she thinks it's a good thing.

I can't comment on how she feels, I'm not her. I was commenting on how I felt on reading that a young woman, only a year older than my eldest has had to endure such loss. I didn't realise it would be so controversial to show some empathy in the face of such huge loss.

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 15:05

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:35

My point was that losing 15 relatives is an incredible loss. Beyond anything I can imagine and at the age of 19 too. It's awful isn't it?

Yes dreadful. Awful also that she expressed pride & joy at Oct 7 where so many people also lost relatives. And so many of them have been notable for their compassion & dignity rather than expressing joy at the losses of others. Don't know what its got to do with the issues of her visa.

inamarina · 31/10/2024 15:14

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 14:58

I can't comment on how she feels, I'm not her. I was commenting on how I felt on reading that a young woman, only a year older than my eldest has had to endure such loss. I didn't realise it would be so controversial to show some empathy in the face of such huge loss.

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Why can’t you comment on how she feels just because you’re not her? She expressed how she feels - joyful and proud.
Interesting that you chose to comment on the fact that’s she’s lost 15 relatives (which is tragic of course), but not on the fact that she was celebrating deaths of other people (equally tragic).

GhostCicada · 31/10/2024 15:43

SharonEllis · 31/10/2024 15:05

Yes dreadful. Awful also that she expressed pride & joy at Oct 7 where so many people also lost relatives. And so many of them have been notable for their compassion & dignity rather than expressing joy at the losses of others. Don't know what its got to do with the issues of her visa.

Edited

Like I said I was just commenting on the article. She just a kid who has endured huge loss. I find that incredibly sad and feel for her. That's it. You can make it some kind of competition if you like but I have no interest.

LoremIpsumCici · 31/10/2024 16:21

the ruling said, "nowhere does the appellant express support for Hamas specifically, or their actions".
"There is a clearly recognised and fundamental distinction between supporting the Palestinian cause and supporting Hamas and their actions," the judgment added.
The Home Office, it was found, had failed to demonstrate that her presence in the UK was "not conducive to public good".

LoremIpsumCici · 31/10/2024 16:30

inamarina · 31/10/2024 15:14

Why can’t you comment on how she feels just because you’re not her? She expressed how she feels - joyful and proud.
Interesting that you chose to comment on the fact that’s she’s lost 15 relatives (which is tragic of course), but not on the fact that she was celebrating deaths of other people (equally tragic).

Actually she doesn’t say she is full of pride, she says “they” are, and her comments on pride and joy she said was in terms of resisting the 16yr blockade. Nothing about pride and joy over Hamas killing civilians.

She first said she is worried about the mental and physical well being of people there.