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Conflict in the Middle East

Rafah bombings (Edited by Mumsnet)

986 replies

TwilightSkies · 06/05/2024 09:10

Where the hell are all the Palestinians meant to go now?
They were TOLD to go to Rafah, that Rafah was a safe place.
It’s just open extermination at this point.

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RafaistheKingofClay · 06/05/2024 14:32

Dulra · 06/05/2024 13:57

The pusher
The car driver
or both?
Who is who in this scenario because it makes zero sense

I think the car driver in this scenario probably had ample time to brake and decided to accelerate straight at the pedestrian instead.

ConnieCounter · 06/05/2024 14:36

Humdingerydoo · 06/05/2024 12:44

No, don't be ridiculous. The ultimate reason for it is that Hamas are in Rafah using civilians there as human shields. Hamas then decided to speed things up a bit by firing rockets from Rafah in order to ensure Israel would be guaranteed not to be persuaded by other governments to leave Rafah alone. Hamas don't want Rafah left alone as it suits them perfectly to have as many innocent civilian Palestinians killed as possible as they're pawns in their sick and twisted murderous games.

Hope that clarifies the matter.

Sure. No matter what Israel does or how many war crimes, it's someone else's fault. Got it.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 06/05/2024 14:37

nomoretreats · 06/05/2024 09:21

Truly horrific and world leaders continue to watch and do nothing.

😢😢😢😢

What do you want them to do??

How would the people that live in England feel if British nationals were taken hostage by a terror group, the same terror group that had fired tens of thousands of rockets at us without a care in the world for us and those living around them

As soon as this Hamas, its leaders around the world are taken out the better it will be all of us INCLUDING THE PEOPLE OF GAZA AND THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL FACT

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 06/05/2024 14:39

ConnieCounter · 06/05/2024 14:36

Sure. No matter what Israel does or how many war crimes, it's someone else's fault. Got it.

Stop talking serious nonsense. Murdering familes as they slept inc children, rape, kidnap and worse by HAMAS.

I vividly recall the poor lady naked in the back of a Hamas operatives truck as they went through their town where children joined in by hitting the dead woman and spitting on here - SICK

Hugosmaid · 06/05/2024 14:40

TrudyProud · 06/05/2024 14:04

@Hugosmaid

The driver!

This is why we have situational awareness as part of the driver theory test. You need to be aware of all on the road and course correct not to cause harm

A woman was actually recently sent to jail in the UK for this.

This is why there is so much frustration and people are unable to engage in conversation about it. Because there is a huge blind spot towards Hamas. Hamas apparently do not have to take accountability and that’s why there will aways be discord in support.

quantumbutterfly · 06/05/2024 14:40

TrudyProud · 06/05/2024 14:21

@quantumbutterfly maybe.

People get exonerated all the time. The courts called Nelson Mandela a terrorist. Do you agree they were wrong ?

You seem to be confusing jurisdictions.

SummerFeverVenice · 06/05/2024 14:42

cranberrypi · 06/05/2024 09:10

Hamas could surrender, or hand back the hostages

Except Nethanyu said multiple times that Israel was going to attack Rafah, “deal or no deal”, and “even if a ceasefire and hostage deal”

So lovely as your idea is for ending the war, Israel has already rejected it.

TrudyProud · 06/05/2024 14:43

@quantumbutterfly you said I know better then courts. I gave you an example of when a court has been incorrect. This has nothing to do with jurisdiction- just court decisions are made by humans. Humans are not infallible

ClairemacL · 06/05/2024 14:44

I’m 100% sure that if Gaza and Israel weren’t so close together they’d have nuked them on October 8th.

Although maybe that would have been too kind.

Parkingt111 · 06/05/2024 14:44

SummerFeverVenice · 06/05/2024 14:42

Except Nethanyu said multiple times that Israel was going to attack Rafah, “deal or no deal”, and “even if a ceasefire and hostage deal”

So lovely as your idea is for ending the war, Israel has already rejected it.

It seems like Netanyahu purposefully sabotages the deals whenever it's close to being finalised. Like insisting on attacking Rafah even if a deal goes through and the hostages are released.
I don't think he wants the war to end, once it does there will be nothing left for him to hold on to, to stay in power.

ConnieCounter · 06/05/2024 14:45

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 06/05/2024 14:32

No they were not!!!! Weeks ago they were told to move out of that area and that is a fact

Fact, rockets were fired from that area yesterday killing IDF soldiers and seriously injuring civllinas , The crossing was targeted by Hams in an effort to stop the humanitarian aid IMO why else would they do that

This could all stop right now if all hostages were released and the main leaders in Gaza were given up

And go where? Tell me where should they go?

Netanyahu has already said that he'll attack Rafah after the hostages are released. You'll need some new excuses for this genocide I'm afraid.

SummerFeverVenice · 06/05/2024 14:47

Humdingerydoo · 06/05/2024 11:23

I think it's important to not just forget that rockets were fired from Rafah yesterday to one of the border crossings between Gaza and Israel, causing death and destruction.

On a personal level I wish Israel wouldn't have retaliated like this, but let's not pretend Israel is just randomly attacking Rafah. Hamas knew exactly what they were doing when they fired those rockets from Rafah, and knew exactly what retaliation to expect. As always, they are sacrificing their own people and as always, Israel are solely to be blamed by certain posters on here.

Are you for real? Israel has been bombing Rafah nonstop for seven months killing hundreds, if not thousands of civilians. Israel have been saying since March that they are definitely going to do a ground invasion of Rafah.

Hamas shoots one round of rockets yesterday that kills seven soldiers (legitimate military targets), and you are saying the Rafah ground invasion is in retaliation for yesterday?

I am astounded by your ability for selective amnesia.

TextureSeeker · 06/05/2024 14:47

My thoughts are with everyone in Rafah, especially the mums who must be terrified for their babies. I pray that one day Palestinians get the peace and justice they deserve.

Parkingt111 · 06/05/2024 14:48

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator they were not told to move out weeks ago, stop lying.

SummerFeverVenice · 06/05/2024 14:48

NecessaryNC24 · 06/05/2024 11:38

On October 6th there was an ongoing Ceasefire.

And then look what happened.

There was no ceasefire on October 6th.

stomachamelon · 06/05/2024 14:48

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator well said.

stomachamelon · 06/05/2024 14:49

@Humdingerydoo what do you expect? One rule for one.....

quantumbutterfly · 06/05/2024 14:49

You said the UK court's decision was wrong and justified it by citing a South African judgement.

In the case I linked there is no doubt of the circumstances, and if you wish to see why the judgement was found you can read law reports.

Ianal but I don't believe that ' because Trudy says so' sets a legal precedent.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 06/05/2024 14:50

ConnieCounter · 06/05/2024 14:45

And go where? Tell me where should they go?

Netanyahu has already said that he'll attack Rafah after the hostages are released. You'll need some new excuses for this genocide I'm afraid.

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STOP being ridiculous you are showing yourself up by saying "go where!!!

You know they can go to the SAFE ZONES and that is a fact

Why is Egypt that attacked Israel years ago are NOT allowing these people into their safe country, WHY???

Why is Iran/UAE/Lebonnon ETC not telling, bringing out people to their vast countries - WHY??????

YES, you KNOW WHY!!!

SummerFeverVenice · 06/05/2024 14:51

Scirocco · 06/05/2024 11:54

This is murder. Murder of innocent civilians.

And I have zero time for anyone coming here to deflect and dismiss from what is happening.

When Iran fired missiles at Israel, there was a thread on this board, filled with support and compassion for people in Israel. People put aside their political differences to offer support to other humans in distress.

It says a lot about people that they cannot treat others how they would like to be treated and indeed have been treated.

Yes, it is odd a Bedouin girl critically injured by an Iranian missile and post after post of sympathy. Thousands of Bedouin girls have been killed by Israeli missiles, some on the same day as the girl injured above, and post after post defending the Israeli missiles and going too bad, so sad, not the fault of the army shooting the missiles.

TextureSeeker · 06/05/2024 14:52

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 06/05/2024 14:50

STOP being ridiculous you are showing yourself up by saying "go where!!!

You know they can go to the SAFE ZONES and that is a fact

Why is Egypt that attacked Israel years ago are NOT allowing these people into their safe country, WHY???

Why is Iran/UAE/Lebonnon ETC not telling, bringing out people to their vast countries - WHY??????

YES, you KNOW WHY!!!

I'd like to know why you think that is?

ConnieCounter · 06/05/2024 14:52

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 06/05/2024 14:50

STOP being ridiculous you are showing yourself up by saying "go where!!!

You know they can go to the SAFE ZONES and that is a fact

Why is Egypt that attacked Israel years ago are NOT allowing these people into their safe country, WHY???

Why is Iran/UAE/Lebonnon ETC not telling, bringing out people to their vast countries - WHY??????

YES, you KNOW WHY!!!

Safe zones that Israel bombs the shit out of? Great option thanks for that.

Why are you blaming everyone except the country currently bombing civilians?

The disrespect on this thread is hideous.

ConnieCounter · 06/05/2024 14:53

Their brainwashing efforts are top notch. I'll give them that.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 06/05/2024 14:54

stomachamelon · 06/05/2024 14:48

@DistinguishedSocialCommentator well said.

Many thanks

It has to be said

I am no fan of the Israeli PM he is as bad as the other extremists in the world - but the shit posted by some here that fail to recognise how the ordinary Israeli people and the ordinary Gazaina people have suffered under the hands of HAMAS and their feeders.

Time to speak up for the eradication of Hamas and those that leader this murderous lot for the sake of the ordinary people in Gaza and Israel - once this war is over, 200% sure the current leader of Israel will be kicked out

SummerFeverVenice · 06/05/2024 14:54

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 06/05/2024 14:37

What do you want them to do??

How would the people that live in England feel if British nationals were taken hostage by a terror group, the same terror group that had fired tens of thousands of rockets at us without a care in the world for us and those living around them

As soon as this Hamas, its leaders around the world are taken out the better it will be all of us INCLUDING THE PEOPLE OF GAZA AND THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL FACT

Oh, I don’t know maybe read the Genocide Convention we signed up to, and have a peruse of the old rules of war written by us and the UN and, ya know, maybe not break every single rule while going whole hog for Genocide?

It is a lie that what Israel has done and is doing is the only option. It isn’t. It is the worst option of all.