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Conflict in the Middle East

Rafah bombings (Edited by Mumsnet)

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TwilightSkies · 06/05/2024 09:10

Where the hell are all the Palestinians meant to go now?
They were TOLD to go to Rafah, that Rafah was a safe place.
It’s just open extermination at this point.

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NecessaryNC24 · 06/05/2024 11:36

marshmallowmix · 06/05/2024 11:26

Yep @Humdingerydoo Hamas have brought this on their own people …they are sacrificing their own…. life seems to not matter to them. They started this by parachuting in

Absolutely.

And beyond the parachuting in, all the rest of the evil slaughters, burnings, rapes.

But I can see now (especially online) there are these Hamas-inspired/Muslim extremist/Iran backed conspiracy theories saying the above didn't happen. Even though we ALL saw it happen in real time. There are Witnesses, there is Footage in Go Pro Cameras

And yet certain protesters won't even mentionThe Hostages- totally brainwashed and I almost feel bad for them for that.

The apologists of Oct 7th make me literally sick.

NecessaryNC24 · 06/05/2024 11:38

Washingtonmachine · 06/05/2024 11:32

Israel started this by keeping them under occupation for years and years. They were killing Palestinians for a long time before Oct 7th, even before Hamas came into power.

Israel have thousands of Palestinian hostages that have never had a trial. The world is not blind you know.

What could've been swept under the carpet 15 years ago can no longer be hidden anymore. This is why the US wants to ban TikTok and why Israel have shut down Al Jazeera.

Trying to derail any thread that is sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians just shows how low you will stoop to try and deny any blame on Israels parts.

On October 6th there was an ongoing Ceasefire.

And then look what happened.

Auvergne63 · 06/05/2024 11:54

NecessaryNC24 · 06/05/2024 11:36

Absolutely.

And beyond the parachuting in, all the rest of the evil slaughters, burnings, rapes.

But I can see now (especially online) there are these Hamas-inspired/Muslim extremist/Iran backed conspiracy theories saying the above didn't happen. Even though we ALL saw it happen in real time. There are Witnesses, there is Footage in Go Pro Cameras

And yet certain protesters won't even mentionThe Hostages- totally brainwashed and I almost feel bad for them for that.

The apologists of Oct 7th make me literally sick.

The apologists of Oct 7th AND the apologists of the deaths of 34000 Palestinians through bombings/ famine/diseases/ virtually no medical care make me sick.
What Hamas did on 07/10 make me sick.
What the Israeli government is doing in full view of the world makes me sick.
The targeted killing of the press in Gaza makes me sick.
The targeted killing of aid workers in Gaza makes me sick.
Netanyahu refusing the release of the hostages on 09/10 makes me sick.
The complicity of the world in what the Israeli government is doing makes me sick.
So many posters forgetting that we are all humans and therefore all linked by this communality makes me sick.
I could go on.

Scirocco · 06/05/2024 11:54

This is murder. Murder of innocent civilians.

And I have zero time for anyone coming here to deflect and dismiss from what is happening.

When Iran fired missiles at Israel, there was a thread on this board, filled with support and compassion for people in Israel. People put aside their political differences to offer support to other humans in distress.

It says a lot about people that they cannot treat others how they would like to be treated and indeed have been treated.

Liv999 · 06/05/2024 12:20

Auvergne63 · 06/05/2024 11:54

The apologists of Oct 7th AND the apologists of the deaths of 34000 Palestinians through bombings/ famine/diseases/ virtually no medical care make me sick.
What Hamas did on 07/10 make me sick.
What the Israeli government is doing in full view of the world makes me sick.
The targeted killing of the press in Gaza makes me sick.
The targeted killing of aid workers in Gaza makes me sick.
Netanyahu refusing the release of the hostages on 09/10 makes me sick.
The complicity of the world in what the Israeli government is doing makes me sick.
So many posters forgetting that we are all humans and therefore all linked by this communality makes me sick.
I could go on.

❤️

keenforhelp · 06/05/2024 12:28

NecessaryNC24 · 06/05/2024 11:36

Absolutely.

And beyond the parachuting in, all the rest of the evil slaughters, burnings, rapes.

But I can see now (especially online) there are these Hamas-inspired/Muslim extremist/Iran backed conspiracy theories saying the above didn't happen. Even though we ALL saw it happen in real time. There are Witnesses, there is Footage in Go Pro Cameras

And yet certain protesters won't even mentionThe Hostages- totally brainwashed and I almost feel bad for them for that.

The apologists of Oct 7th make me literally sick.

This.

Scirocco · 06/05/2024 12:36

keenforhelp · 06/05/2024 12:28

This.

And none of that changes the fact that innocent people are being murdered in Rafah today.

If you have no compassion for them, or for posters whose loved ones are there, perhaps you could at least have the decency to allow there to be a space free from deflection, dismissal and Islamophobia for people who do care.

PeasfullPerson · 06/05/2024 12:37

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ConnieCounter · 06/05/2024 12:37

Humdingerydoo · 06/05/2024 11:23

I think it's important to not just forget that rockets were fired from Rafah yesterday to one of the border crossings between Gaza and Israel, causing death and destruction.

On a personal level I wish Israel wouldn't have retaliated like this, but let's not pretend Israel is just randomly attacking Rafah. Hamas knew exactly what they were doing when they fired those rockets from Rafah, and knew exactly what retaliation to expect. As always, they are sacrificing their own people and as always, Israel are solely to be blamed by certain posters on here.

They had planned this for weeks though, months maybe? So let's not pretend those rockets are the reason for this. That would be ridiculous.

PeasfullPerson · 06/05/2024 12:39

Does anyone know what facilities are available in this humanitarian area and how aid will be delivered?

How are tired, hungry, traumatised and potentially injured people meant to travel there?

Humdingerydoo · 06/05/2024 12:44

ConnieCounter · 06/05/2024 12:37

They had planned this for weeks though, months maybe? So let's not pretend those rockets are the reason for this. That would be ridiculous.

No, don't be ridiculous. The ultimate reason for it is that Hamas are in Rafah using civilians there as human shields. Hamas then decided to speed things up a bit by firing rockets from Rafah in order to ensure Israel would be guaranteed not to be persuaded by other governments to leave Rafah alone. Hamas don't want Rafah left alone as it suits them perfectly to have as many innocent civilian Palestinians killed as possible as they're pawns in their sick and twisted murderous games.

Hope that clarifies the matter.

Humdingerydoo · 06/05/2024 12:45

PeasfullPerson · 06/05/2024 12:39

Does anyone know what facilities are available in this humanitarian area and how aid will be delivered?

How are tired, hungry, traumatised and potentially injured people meant to travel there?

I'm assuming aid will be significantly reduced after Hamas fired rockets from Rafah directly at the main crossing used for delivering aid.

TwilightSkies · 06/05/2024 12:52

No, don't be ridiculous. The ultimate reason for it is that Hamas are in Rafah using civilians there as human shields. Hamas then decided to speed things up a bit by firing rockets from Rafah in order to ensure Israel would be guaranteed not to be persuaded by other governments to leave Rafah alone. Hamas don't want Rafah left alone as it suits them perfectly to have as many innocent civilian Palestinians killed as possible as they're pawns in their sick and twisted murderous games.

Hope that clarifies the matter.

When I first read your words I thought you were joking.
But no, you actually seem to believe this.
You are still falling for the lies. Hamas using people as shields 😂
A 7 month old baby orphan has just been slaughtered by the IDF. Hamas fault I suppose?

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Humdingerydoo · 06/05/2024 12:58

TwilightSkies · 06/05/2024 12:52

No, don't be ridiculous. The ultimate reason for it is that Hamas are in Rafah using civilians there as human shields. Hamas then decided to speed things up a bit by firing rockets from Rafah in order to ensure Israel would be guaranteed not to be persuaded by other governments to leave Rafah alone. Hamas don't want Rafah left alone as it suits them perfectly to have as many innocent civilian Palestinians killed as possible as they're pawns in their sick and twisted murderous games.

Hope that clarifies the matter.

When I first read your words I thought you were joking.
But no, you actually seem to believe this.
You are still falling for the lies. Hamas using people as shields 😂
A 7 month old baby orphan has just been slaughtered by the IDF. Hamas fault I suppose?

I see that you don't understand the concept of a human shield. It doesn't mean a literal shield. Hopefully that clarifies matters for you.

Absolutely bizarre that someone who seems to be pro-Palestinian would defend Hamas actions 🥴

Dulra · 06/05/2024 13:01

Humdingerydoo · 06/05/2024 12:44

No, don't be ridiculous. The ultimate reason for it is that Hamas are in Rafah using civilians there as human shields. Hamas then decided to speed things up a bit by firing rockets from Rafah in order to ensure Israel would be guaranteed not to be persuaded by other governments to leave Rafah alone. Hamas don't want Rafah left alone as it suits them perfectly to have as many innocent civilian Palestinians killed as possible as they're pawns in their sick and twisted murderous games.

Hope that clarifies the matter.

Netanyahu has made no secret of the fact that he was going into Rafah regardless of a ceasefire, regardless of any hostages being released. His sole aim is take over Gaza. There is nothing left, people are dead, starving and displaced. Israel are a terror state who have used the atrocities on October 7th as an excuse to obliterate Gaza and it's people

Hope that clarifies the matter.

Parkingt111 · 06/05/2024 13:03

Israel's evacuation orders to civilians in Rafah portend the worst: more war and famine. It is unacceptable.

Israel must renounce to a ground offensive and implement UNSCR 2728.

The EU, with the International Community, can and must act to prevent such scenario.

https://twitter.com/JosepBorrellF/status/1787448626626679254?t=BYgfDH7uobartuNxE8UbxA&s=19

https://twitter.com/JosepBorrellF/status/1787448626626679254?s=19&t=BYgfDH7uobartuNxE8UbxA

Dulra · 06/05/2024 13:03

Humdingerydoo · 06/05/2024 12:58

I see that you don't understand the concept of a human shield. It doesn't mean a literal shield. Hopefully that clarifies matters for you.

Absolutely bizarre that someone who seems to be pro-Palestinian would defend Hamas actions 🥴

Absolutely bizarre that someone who seems to be pro-Palestinian would defend Hamas actions 🥴

Criticising the Israeli government and the IDF does not mean we are defending Hamas fgs. They are as bad as each other in my opinion, both responsible for death and misery

Hugosmaid · 06/05/2024 13:04

it absolutely needs to end.

But it won’t whilst Israel , Hamas & Iran are hell bent on destroying each other.

There is absolutely nothing the UK can do about it or are people expecting the U.K. to go to war with Isreal? So in essence team up with Iran and Hamas.

Iran and Israel have been gearing up to this for years. They dont give a shit about what the U.K. think. Hamas and Iran don’t care about their own people. They are happy for the Palestinians to be killed in the name of martyrdom- they have even said this on TV. Hamas are firing rockets at aid being delivered - they want these people to be isolated. Hamas have sacrificed their own people for the benefit of Iran.

The only possible way this will end is the complete surrender of all Hamas leaders and the release of the hostages. Hamas knew they would never win - so the question is why did they allow thousands of their people to be slaughtered?

Humdingerydoo · 06/05/2024 13:04

Dulra · 06/05/2024 13:03

Absolutely bizarre that someone who seems to be pro-Palestinian would defend Hamas actions 🥴

Criticising the Israeli government and the IDF does not mean we are defending Hamas fgs. They are as bad as each other in my opinion, both responsible for death and misery

That poster was defending Hamas, saying they don't use human shields. Which they do.

I didn't call anyone else a Hamas supporter. I'd like to think that anyone who actually genuinely cares about the Palestinian cause would hate Hamas as much as I do.

marshmallowmix · 06/05/2024 13:12

Spot on @Hugosmaid

it is a dreadful situation for all involved, just horrific to see.

as I said there are no winners in this.

Hamas have sacrificed their own it is so sad ….look at when their leader was told several of his family members had been killed he didn’t bat an eyelid …truly evil!

Those innocents caught up in it and trapped are in a nightmare situation it dreadful to see.

Dulra · 06/05/2024 13:19

marshmallowmix · 06/05/2024 13:12

Spot on @Hugosmaid

it is a dreadful situation for all involved, just horrific to see.

as I said there are no winners in this.

Hamas have sacrificed their own it is so sad ….look at when their leader was told several of his family members had been killed he didn’t bat an eyelid …truly evil!

Those innocents caught up in it and trapped are in a nightmare situation it dreadful to see.

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as I said there are no winners in this.

No winners but it is clear who are the losers, bearing the brunt of this conflict

Scirocco · 06/05/2024 13:20

To people posting here aiming to deflect away from what is happening, prevent there being a space for compassionate discussion of innocent people dying in Gaza, etc:

If you have nothing compassionate or respectful to say, say nothing. It's not hard. There are many places on this board and elsewhere where people can celebrate, dismiss or ignore the murders of innocent people in Gaza. Go there. I and others like me already know what our lives mean to you. We don't need you to keep reminding us.

Parkingt111 · 06/05/2024 13:33

France has said that Israel's planned displacement of the Palestinians from Rafah constitutes as a war crime.

France reiterates that it is strongly opposed to an Israeli offensive on Rafah, where more than 1.3 million people are taking refuge in a situation of great distress,” the foreign ministry says in a statement. “The forced displacement of a civilian population constitutes a war crime.”

keenforhelp · 06/05/2024 13:36

Humdingerydoo · 06/05/2024 12:44

No, don't be ridiculous. The ultimate reason for it is that Hamas are in Rafah using civilians there as human shields. Hamas then decided to speed things up a bit by firing rockets from Rafah in order to ensure Israel would be guaranteed not to be persuaded by other governments to leave Rafah alone. Hamas don't want Rafah left alone as it suits them perfectly to have as many innocent civilian Palestinians killed as possible as they're pawns in their sick and twisted murderous games.

Hope that clarifies the matter.

Well expressed and a good assessment of the situation. It is probably what Hamas wants and possibly not everybody can see that wool is being pulled over their eyes.

Guavafish1 · 06/05/2024 13:36

Netanyahu and Biden are both compliance in
genocide.