University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

[EasterIssland]

Many university students are raising up against the ties their universities have with Israel. Students are asking for this agreements to stop
I can see this is happening in USA which has been in the news quite a lot but I can also read news about Paris as well as UK.

I really doubt much will change but I’m glad people are against these agreements. We can’t change what Israel / Hamas do. But we should be able to change what our governments / universities do.

Lots of collateral damage in the conflict, errors, suffering and a very sad loss of life - but this is not a genocide as there is no intention. The Hamas pogrom was a genocide as it was intentional and aimed at a certain faith.
I think the protestors should be also be calling for Hamas to release the hostages but it is very telling that they do not.

They accidentally killed tens of thousands of civilians? Listen to yourself.

Eh? There was no intention to bomb all those residential areas, schools, hospitals, people walking on the roads? The bombs were accidentally released were they?? No intention at all to bomb so called “safe areas” that the civilians had been instructed to move to?

You know full well there was every intention!

Just a bit of an oopsie. Nothing to see here.

Hmmm...

There's actually a considerable body of evidence that there is intent. That intent is backed up with capability to fulfil those goals.

I absolutely believe in my opinions - and you are entitled to yours.😀

Excusing and minimising genocide is an unfortunately popular opinion in some quarters lately.

Back to the thread, fortunately the protests in the USA are beginning to cool off.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13381977/Palestine-campus-protests-cool-chaos-arrests.html

This is bollocks though, because I have condemned what Israel are doing on multiple threads that you have been on and that is still not enough to stop the trite trotting out of ‘oh so you support genocide then’ whenever a thread turns to discussions of antisemitism. Like tedious clockwork.

Well opinions are not facts. Opinions should be informed by facts. Don't you think?
I could link some information which would enable you to revise your opinion but I doubt you would do so I won't.
I think this quote is fitting "There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true."

Back to the thread again -

Hamas supporter in clear view here. Why isn't he being called out by his fellow protestors?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-13379745/Disturbing-photo-shows-Stanford-protester-wearing-Hamas-headband.html

...and:

"A spokesperson for the University of Leeds said: 'We are deeply disappointed that an annual celebration of outstanding student contribution to University life – held by and for students - was temporarily disrupted by a demonstration by protesters entering the event.
'While we respect the right to freedom of expression within the law, we have communicated clear guidance regarding protests to those currently camped on our campus."

Protests need to be peaceful.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13382779/Violence-breaks-Leeds-University-pro-Palestine-student-protesters-clash-security-guards-angry-scenes.html

Lovely.
Congressman praises heckling of war protesters, including 1 who made monkey gestures at Black woman | AP News

but this is not a genocide as there is no intention

That is arguable.
Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated
January 4, 2024
https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-database-with-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-continuously-updated/
If you click on the site it has tabulated what the various people in charge of the war have said that characterises a genocidal impulse on their part.

I think the protestors should be also be calling for Hamas to release the hostages but it is very telling that they do not.

No ceasefire would ever happen without the release of hostages and that is what all the negotiations with Qatar mediating between Hamas and Israel have been about. A ceasefire is also likely to avoid the collateral killing of hostages alongside Hamas as has already happened and released hostages who experienced and survived bombing have said they feared. So a ceasefire is about the release of hostages.

Hamas are not going to release the hostages without a ceasefire. Israel will not ceasefire without the hostages. Though the only ceasefire Israel seems to be offering at the moment in return for the hostages is apparently temporary.

Wanting to stop the bombing and starving of Palestinians is one thing, role- playing Hamas in any way is another.

Can any one tell me, would that be illegal here? Let’s hope so. That is just horrible.

It will also do the very opposite of gathering support for Palestinians. So much so you wonder who they are?

Are they incredibly stupid students? A real Hamas like movement? Or even possibly infiltrators wanting people who are concerned about Palestinians to be tainted?

Order must prevail on University campuses. Well said Joe Biden.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13377515/Joe-Biden-riot-police-crack-pro-Palestine-protesters-UCLA-campus.html

I said many, not all, an important distinction.

I don’t remember seeing posts in which you clearly spoke against what the Israeli government and IDF have done in Gaza. I do remember seeing lots about the protests and antisemtism.

FYI I don’t agree with what’s happened/happening in Gaza and I don’t agree with antisemitism.

Perhaps you have seen me be louder about Gaza and I have seen you be louder about the protests, but in reality our views may not be that far apart.

Riverside uni in California divests from israel

https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1786799720204997011

I don’t remember seeing posts in which you clearly spoke against what the Israeli government and IDF have done in Gaza

Do a search then, because I'm not performing for you.

Perhaps you have seen me be louder about Gaza and I have seen you be louder about the protests

It's pretty clear you think that makes you morally superior. But I'm not part of your purity spiral.

Denver police has released an statement indicating they’ll not remove the protesters

https://twitter.com/LeftwardSwing/status/1786574638652211696

Well done Riverside 👏👏👏 Fantastic news!

Also great to finally see some consciousness policing coming from America.

Was that the uni that Rachel Corrie attended? Or is that a different one

https://x.com/cwellmon/status/1786827344595865950?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Sums up the hypocrisy of the current situation pretty well.

@Parkingt111 I think that was Evergreen State College. I posted a link to that yesterday or the day before but I’ve just looked back at the article (to check the name) and they have edited it to make clearer that the college has agreed to review everything, but It hasn’t actually pledged to definitely divest yet. Fingers crossed that they do as it would be so special and fitting.

It says a lot to me that you didn’t quote the part of my comment where I offered you an olive branch.

I have no idea what this nonsense idea of a ‘purity spiral’ is?

I do remember at one stage people trying to portray the IDF as the most moral army in the world.

I am sure everybody would agree that morality in theory is very different from morality in action, we are human after all, and humans have a terrible track record, of being able to behave in a moral way.