University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

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Many university students are raising up against the ties their universities have with Israel. Students are asking for this agreements to stop
I can see this is happening in USA which has been in the news quite a lot but I can also read news about Paris as well as UK.

I really doubt much will change but I’m glad people are against these agreements. We can’t change what Israel / Hamas do. But we should be able to change what our governments / universities do.

My favourite tweet is the one where he says Jewish people should stop whining about the Holocaust.

How did you come across this account OP? Friend of yours?

Do you keep a list or something?

It's just purity spiral policing.

Yeah this. @noblegiraffe Tbh your post confused me because of where you inserted it on the thread. You inserted it when we were talking about Israel killing babies, which they are and Israels supporters supporting that. It feels like you and the other poster are saying that nobody can point out that Israel are indeed killing babies, old people and everyone in between because it is a 'trope' and 'blood libel' rather than it just being the unfortunate truth of the past 6 months. I'm sure you aren't because we know that would be absurd but it feels that way tbh.

You inserted it when we were talking about Israel killing babies

I was talking about a group of people shouting 'baby killer' at some apparently Jewish people, the video was posted upthread.

But even though Jews have been called baby killers for centuries, now it is reasonable, and not just people reaching for easy antisemitic tropes along with the others I listed.

It's just a coincidence I'm sure, that they're antisemitic tropes and being thrown at Jews by pro-Palestinian protestors.

I'm sure that no one is deliberately wheeling out the old antisemitism and using Gaza to justify it.

Because some of them were, I think the term is, 'visibly Jewish'.

I'm not sure you're trying to rewrite what happened, I was commenting on what actually happened.

So because some pro Palestinian protesters are 'visibily Jewish' it's OK to conflate the two, I'm not sure it works that way? Or are you saying that these 'visibly Jewish' people weren't pro Israel counter protesters at all? They were just 'visibly Jewish' people who happened to be walking past?

Are you also saying that you agree that it is 'blood libel' to say that Israel are baby killers and that Israels supporters are supporting baby killers?

Just to add the person who brought up the 'babykiller' herself described them 'pro Israeli counter protesters' 'In the second video, someone is screaming Baby killers, baby killers, you're fucking baby killers, that's what you are! at a line of pro-Israeli counter protestors who are filing past, so that also paints quite a clear picture.

What the fuck are you on about? I'm not conflating the two, I'm saying that there were visibly Jewish people among the group being called 'baby killers'.

Even you seem to accept that calling people baby killers, as happened here, is probably a bit much.

The group of people supporting Israel? So the pro Israel counter protesters then?

Jeez, Im not sure why you are swearing, it was you that brought Jewish people into this conversation, you that continually referred to the counter protesters as 'jews'.

Talking about antisemitic tropes generally involves talking about Jews?

And, I mean, I don't know if you've heard this, but Israel is the world's only Jewish state, so people love throwing antisemitic tropes Israel's way too.

So you can't criticise Israel because that's criticising Jewish people and is therefore antisemitic? How ridiculous.

No, that's not what I said at all. That would be ridiculous.

But you're saying that what was said to Israeli supporters is antisemitic because some of them are Jewish?

I'm not saying calling the crowd babykillers is reasonable by the way. But they are supporting a baby-killing regime, which I presume was the point being made.

This conversation isn't very productive and I need to go to bed but I really think you should reflect on your continual use of Jew in place of pro Israel counter protesters, it seems like a really harmful thing to do tbh I don't think many people would agree with it the other way around either if someone contiually referred to Pro Palestinian protesters as Jews because they happened to spot a 'visibly Jewish' person there. Swearing at me and accusing me of 'rewriting what happened' because I referred to the counter protesters as just that rather than 'Jews', it's not cool.

No, I'm saying it's interesting how many antisemitic tropes you see in pro-Palestinian discourse.

But I'm sure they're only accidentally referring to antisemitic tropes when they use them.

OK, I mean it's just a fact that the Israeli state has killed thousands of children in the last 6 months. Not a trope. Not antisemitic. Just a very sad and disgusting fact.

I really think you should reflect on your continual use of Jew in place of pro Israel counter protesters,

And I think you should reflect on whether the use of antisemitic tropes and the fact that Israel is a Jewish state is a coincidence.

I accused you of rewriting because you suddenly started talking about 'supporting Israel who are baby killers' instead of what was actually said.

I don't think the people who were walking past those protestors have killed any babies in the last six months? If we're talking about facts?

Great quote, very apt- I'm so glad it could help you reflect upon your own behaviour.

Yes I've said that those people weren't baby killers on the thread already. And that it wasn't reasonable. I've clearly said that if they were there to support the Israeli actions in Gaza they're supporting a regime that is killing thousands of children.

I'm not sure how many times and ways I can say that to be honest!

If you were following the thread you would see that there was no 'suddenly' about it at all. It was my first comment on it I said 'would the more accurate supporting baby killers be better for you' or something to that effect. I was then told by another poster that no to say people are supporting baby killers is 'blood libel'. That is when you jumped in talking about 'tropes' so unless by suddenly you mean before you posted about it all then sure I 'suddenly' started talking about it.

Nothing screams “performative virtue signaling” louder than an US university student protest.

There are protests in universities around the world. Not only USA.