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Conflict in the Middle East

Christians in Jerusalem

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EasterIssland · 19/03/2024 16:59

found this in Twitter today about the current situation of Christians in Jerusalem (West bank and East Jerusalem) and the struggles they’re going through

https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/christians-in-holy-land-desperate-over-lack-of-work-and-upsurge-in-religious-hatred

The situation for Christians is especially desperate as most of them work in the tourism sector, which has been at a standstill since the conflict began.

The source told ACN that for Christians “wearing a cross can get you into trouble.
“Sometimes you have to hide your identity in your own homeland to avoid problems.
“The presence in the area of groups with increasingly radical elements makes our situation even more difficult.”

Christians in Holy Land 'desperate' over lack of work and upsurge in religious hatred - Premier Christian News | Headlines, Breaking News, Comment & Analysis

Christians in the Holy Land are struggling to put food on the table and pay their household bills as increasing conflict and tension plunge the region into unprecedented crisis. That’s according to th

https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/christians-in-holy-land-desperate-over-lack-of-work-and-upsurge-in-religious-hatred

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YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:03

merrymaryquitecontrary · 20/09/2024 19:22

I don't have any problem talking about other countries, why don't you make a thread? This thread is specifically about Jerusalem.
And this is a genuine question, but why does the "jew bashing" get brought into every thread when Israel's actions are brought up? I would totally understand it if people were arguing that "the jews did..." when of course that doesn't apply. I do note that one of the posters who made this accusation was happy enough to call Palestinian babies terrorists.

I've no idea who called Palestinian babies terrorists. I didn't.

However, as always keep on bashing Israel but don't bash other countries. There isn't an appetite to bash Iran Iraq yeman Syria Lebanon and hence no threads bashing them 🙄 only Israel bashing. Perhaps that's why people do stand with the democracy in the middle east.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:08

It's not illegal to be a Christian in Jerusalem.

Meanwhile in Iran "For Christians who convert from Islam, not even the veneer of tolerance is present. Conversion from Islam to Christianity is illegal in Iran, and anyone caught as a convert can be arrested and imprisoned. The government views conversion as an attempt by the West to undermine Islam and the Islamic government of Iran."

Naturally you are more worried about Christians in Israel 🙄

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:10

How are Christians treated in Israel?

Meanwhile, "Christians are persecuted widely across the Arab and Islamic world. Christian communities have played a vital role in the Middle East." But who cares 🤔 mot unless anti Israel otherwise its a non story 🙄

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:12

The persecution of Christians by the Islamic State involves the systematic mass murder of Christian minorities, within the regions of Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Mozambique and Nigeria controlled by the Islamic extremist group Islamic State.

Pretty awful treatment of Christians wouldn't you say. 😕

Nothing to see there though. Not worthy of comment unless it's in Israel.

A bit of a theme going really

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 20:12

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:08

It's not illegal to be a Christian in Jerusalem.

Meanwhile in Iran "For Christians who convert from Islam, not even the veneer of tolerance is present. Conversion from Islam to Christianity is illegal in Iran, and anyone caught as a convert can be arrested and imprisoned. The government views conversion as an attempt by the West to undermine Islam and the Islamic government of Iran."

Naturally you are more worried about Christians in Israel 🙄

Imprisoned for up to 15 years these days.

Now, that's what I call barbaric.

EasterIssland · 20/09/2024 20:13

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:08

It's not illegal to be a Christian in Jerusalem.

Meanwhile in Iran "For Christians who convert from Islam, not even the veneer of tolerance is present. Conversion from Islam to Christianity is illegal in Iran, and anyone caught as a convert can be arrested and imprisoned. The government views conversion as an attempt by the West to undermine Islam and the Islamic government of Iran."

Naturally you are more worried about Christians in Israel 🙄

is iran Christians holy land ?

The Holy Land’s Christians have suffered a “disturbing rise” in attacks including spitting, physical harassment, damage to property and cemeteries, and disruption of services.

naturally you’re more worried about sweeping under the rug these attacks because anyway they happen in other places as well 🙄

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YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:14

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 20:12

Imprisoned for up to 15 years these days.

Now, that's what I call barbaric.

Oh my.

Wow. But it's not relevant you know. It's a non story, unless anti Israel. Bizarre really. Fake concerns for Christians in Israel whilst no concerns fir Christians generally in other adjacent countries 🙄 wonder why

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:16

EasterIssland · 20/09/2024 20:13

is iran Christians holy land ?

The Holy Land’s Christians have suffered a “disturbing rise” in attacks including spitting, physical harassment, damage to property and cemeteries, and disruption of services.

naturally you’re more worried about sweeping under the rug these attacks because anyway they happen in other places as well 🙄

Spitting.....

Wow I'm more concerned about those being killed or locked up in middle east countries for merely being a Christian !

But Spitting isn't OK either

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 20:17

EasterIssland · 20/09/2024 20:13

is iran Christians holy land ?

The Holy Land’s Christians have suffered a “disturbing rise” in attacks including spitting, physical harassment, damage to property and cemeteries, and disruption of services.

naturally you’re more worried about sweeping under the rug these attacks because anyway they happen in other places as well 🙄

Who is brushing them under the carpet? Noone. What is there to say that is not in the report you posted?? What do you want?

Saying 'they happen elsewhere as well' is bizarre because it suggests equivalence.
The incidents in Israel, bad as they are, are not in any way comparable to the legal sanctions, persecution, torture, imprisonment, and murder on a large scale elsewhere.

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:19

EasterIssland · 20/09/2024 20:13

is iran Christians holy land ?

The Holy Land’s Christians have suffered a “disturbing rise” in attacks including spitting, physical harassment, damage to property and cemeteries, and disruption of services.

naturally you’re more worried about sweeping under the rug these attacks because anyway they happen in other places as well 🙄

Don't sweep under the rug but also show the mistreatment of Christians all over the middle east, by death and imprisonment in some countries too.

You are indeed sweeping the mistreatment in other countries under the rug! It appears so since the ONLY focus us Israel. Surely ALL mistreatment is wrong? Surely you can agree to that? Or not? I won't hold my breath🙄

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:20

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 20:17

Who is brushing them under the carpet? Noone. What is there to say that is not in the report you posted?? What do you want?

Saying 'they happen elsewhere as well' is bizarre because it suggests equivalence.
The incidents in Israel, bad as they are, are not in any way comparable to the legal sanctions, persecution, torture, imprisonment, and murder on a large scale elsewhere.

Edited

My point exactly.

Not relevant though although far worse treatment 🙄

EasterIssland · 20/09/2024 20:22

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 20:17

Who is brushing them under the carpet? Noone. What is there to say that is not in the report you posted?? What do you want?

Saying 'they happen elsewhere as well' is bizarre because it suggests equivalence.
The incidents in Israel, bad as they are, are not in any way comparable to the legal sanctions, persecution, torture, imprisonment, and murder on a large scale elsewhere.

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Taking into account several posters have written for the first time on this thread that has been opened for 9 months to suggests my intentions are antisemitic and that the Christians are treated worse in somewhere else then why do I care about the Christians in Jerusalem (their holyland) and not in Iran … not a single of those posters have condemned these actions.

So it feels like many people’s intentions is to derail the thread in order to hide what is happening in Jerusalem.

for the record, I’d not like to be prosecuted for my religion. But neither spitted.

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Auvergne63 · 20/09/2024 20:23

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 19:14

Whilst this level of anti Jewish bashing is rife, whilst ignoring the ills of other countries in the middle east .... it makes me and many others continue to support Israel.

Imagine feeling the need to ignore Iran, Syria, Yeman, Lebanon, Iraq, and all their problems and yet bash Israel all the time.... speaks volumes.

Why do posters persist on deflecting, time and time again?
This thread is about what Christians are experiencing now in Jerusalem, at the hands of extremists.
It isn't ignoring their plights in other countries; it is about sticking to the subject of the thread, as per the rules.
Feel free to start a new thread but I wager, you won't.

EasterIssland · 20/09/2024 20:24

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:19

Don't sweep under the rug but also show the mistreatment of Christians all over the middle east, by death and imprisonment in some countries too.

You are indeed sweeping the mistreatment in other countries under the rug! It appears so since the ONLY focus us Israel. Surely ALL mistreatment is wrong? Surely you can agree to that? Or not? I won't hold my breath🙄

Yes of course all treatment is bad but once again this is about Christians in Jerusalem. Saying oh well they are treated worse somewhere else doesn’t make it better either

it’s as if someone was complaining about how Jewish community are nowadays attacked in the uk and someone came and said oh well but in Israel they’re treated worse by their Middle East neighbours . It doesn’t make it better and minimises the pain some people are going through.

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YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:25

In the middle east
We had Jewish
Then Christians
Then Muslims.

The area is now predominantly Muslim, with Jewish people mainly in Israel and a small number of Christians who are mistreated widely in the Middle East. Its a big concern. Its worthy of considering all Christians ✝️

Auvergne63 · 20/09/2024 20:26

merrymaryquitecontrary · 20/09/2024 12:33

The thread was about the state of Christians in Jerusalem, who are suffering as a result of the conflict? They have been killed whilst sheltering in their own churches, this has been widely reported. The state of Israel (as a government, because they are the ones sanctioning the IDF's actions) want rid of Palestinians, the officials have said this time and time again. This is not mis or dis information at all. Many people think this is a muslim vs jewish conflict, when this is not the case, and the christian population are largely forgotten about. As Palestinians, the christians are very much the victims of the occupation too.

The Pope deemed the murders of the two women in a church " an act of terror". if I remember correctly.

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 20:26

Auvergne63 · 20/09/2024 20:23

Why do posters persist on deflecting, time and time again?
This thread is about what Christians are experiencing now in Jerusalem, at the hands of extremists.
It isn't ignoring their plights in other countries; it is about sticking to the subject of the thread, as per the rules.
Feel free to start a new thread but I wager, you won't.

So, say something about the treatment of christians in east jerusalem, rather than criticising posters on this thread.

Auvergne63 · 20/09/2024 20:28

merrymaryquitecontrary · 20/09/2024 19:07

When anyone mentions Israel did....posters immediately go "another jew bashing thread". So are we not supposed to mention Israel's atrocities because they are jewish?

Bingo!

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:28

EasterIssland · 20/09/2024 20:24

Yes of course all treatment is bad but once again this is about Christians in Jerusalem. Saying oh well they are treated worse somewhere else doesn’t make it better either

it’s as if someone was complaining about how Jewish community are nowadays attacked in the uk and someone came and said oh well but in Israel they’re treated worse by their Middle East neighbours . It doesn’t make it better and minimises the pain some people are going through.

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I didn't say the mistreatment in Israel was ok.

I do however realise that mistreatment is rife in the middle east in general and in some middle east countries its appallingly bad.

It's all worthy of discussion unless you only wish to highlight bad Israel and ignore the rest and many worse. Why would you ignore much worse. Is it because the focus must be bad Israel

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 20:28

EasterIssland · 20/09/2024 20:24

Yes of course all treatment is bad but once again this is about Christians in Jerusalem. Saying oh well they are treated worse somewhere else doesn’t make it better either

it’s as if someone was complaining about how Jewish community are nowadays attacked in the uk and someone came and said oh well but in Israel they’re treated worse by their Middle East neighbours . It doesn’t make it better and minimises the pain some people are going through.

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Noone says it makes it better (how would it?)

Ifoughthefight · 20/09/2024 20:29

I watch many christian tele evangelists going to Israel all the time. Israel keeps all Christian sites as sacred and safe as they can and all the artifacts are under their government national treasures scheme. All the Roman catholic and Orthodox churches built around Jesus life events-places also do well and are open all year round to Christians

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:30

Auvergne63 · 20/09/2024 20:28

Bingo!

That's because it is plain to see. This thread is only about how awful Jewish people are to Christians. However, we must ignore worst treatment of Christians by other countries since not relevant.... interesting 🙄

EasterIssland · 20/09/2024 20:30

YoYoYoYo12345 · 20/09/2024 20:28

I didn't say the mistreatment in Israel was ok.

I do however realise that mistreatment is rife in the middle east in general and in some middle east countries its appallingly bad.

It's all worthy of discussion unless you only wish to highlight bad Israel and ignore the rest and many worse. Why would you ignore much worse. Is it because the focus must be bad Israel

One last time. It’s because JERUSALEM IS CHRISTIANS HOLY LAND

HTH

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SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 20:30

Auvergne63 · 20/09/2024 20:28

Bingo!

How is it bingo? Literally noone said that, did they? We have acknowledged that christians have seen increased harassment in Jerusalem. Its there in the report posted up thread & the link I posted. What do you want?

SharonEllis · 20/09/2024 20:31

EasterIssland · 20/09/2024 20:30

One last time. It’s because JERUSALEM IS CHRISTIANS HOLY LAND

HTH

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