Christians in Jerusalem

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found this in Twitter today about the current situation of Christians in Jerusalem (West bank and East Jerusalem) and the struggles they’re going through

https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/christians-in-holy-land-desperate-over-lack-of-work-and-upsurge-in-religious-hatred

The situation for Christians is especially desperate as most of them work in the tourism sector, which has been at a standstill since the conflict began.

The source told ACN that for Christians “wearing a cross can get you into trouble.
“Sometimes you have to hide your identity in your own homeland to avoid problems.
“The presence in the area of groups with increasingly radical elements makes our situation even more difficult.”

My statement is not "untrue".
I did not specify which countries, nor did I refer to Jordan.
Do not accuse me of lying.

You didn’t specify which countries but you did say that they can only live freely in ME in Israel. If they can live as well in Jordan then Israel is not the only country

I never mentioned Jordan because I haven't met any Christian refugees from there. I can't say one way or another. So yes, if that person says so, maybe it's as welcoming as the Vatican.
Who knows.

A quick search in google proofs that Christians live freely and can workship as well so Israel is not the only country in ME where they can do it.

Didn't you just make that point?

so, the other poster wasn’t accusing you of lying. It was correcting a sentence you had said.

He/she or they accused me of saying something "untrue". It was only partially.
I am not Jewish or Israeli, I have no skin in this game, but just spoke from what horrific stories I have heard, and some personal experience.
I understand the nature of this thread, so I think I will leave at this point.
Peace to all.

The only place they're able to worship and live freely, is Israel

@Corinthiana this is what you wrote, and I'm saying it's not true. I did not call you a liar, I think you are probably just misinformed. I will also point out that I work with asylum seekers/refugees (in a legal capacity) and it is very well known that those claiming christian persecution or homosexuality are usually not true. Iranian 'christians' in particular. Muslim/christian relations in the ME are generally very good.

“Muslim/christian relations in the ME are generally very good.”
This is certainly not true of Iraq or Syria .

Christians are increasingly under pressure in Israel . But when you see what Israel is becoming it is no surprise.
Churches accuse Israel of 'coordinated attack' after property tax warnings | AP News

Posted twice sorry

Christians are in danger under Israeli government, says Holy Land patriarch | Israel | The Guardian

Israel want to destroy Palestinians, they don't discriminate between colour/religion/creed. They have described them as the cancer that needs to be wiped out.

This is disinformation and completely unhelpful to the conversation.

No Christian would ever blame all Jews for this- Our Lord, His Blessed Mother, the Apostles and most of the early converts were Jews and, we believe, are alive in Heaven so still ARE Jews. Any hatred is coming from certain sections of the Jewish popluation but far from all of them. Messianic Jews do not hate us at all for a start. Lookit, I understand that Jews must be feeling unjustly derided these days, and with valid reasons. I'm from an Irish family reared in England, and the hatred we got from some people when the IRA was at it's worst was horrible at times- it made me want to scream that NOT ALL IRISH people condoned the atrocities, far from it, so I'm certain not all Jews condone the extreme violence or hateful acts done by some Jews either. Irish people aren't hive-minded and neither are Jews I would think! We're all unique and all have our own consciences. However, if you research it, you will find out that worldwide, Christians are and always have been, the most oppressed and persecuted demographic and it's going to get worse for us before it stops altogether. Christ told us it would be like this and we don't like it but we have to live , or die, with it and we can't ever hate anyone for anything at all, because that offends Almighty God, and is a grave sin! God bless anyway, let's just all keep praying for peace!

This could have been a really fascinating thread about the (mis)treatment of Christians in the Middle East and people bringing their experiences and knowledge to bear. However, it's already descended into Israel bad, Gaza bad, Israel good, Gaza good. Please could we look at this in a nuanced way? I'm genuinely interested to find out more about the issue.

And yes of course I'll do more reading on the subject, but I really enjoy the good discourse that Mumsnet can provide.

Where is the disinformation? I think it's relevant because Israel don't care if the people are muslim, christian or whatever, as long as they are Palestinian they want to eradicate them. Government officials have said this themselves.

Just to point out the title of the thread is not about the Middle East but about Jerusalem .
if you feel that there should be a thread about Christians in the Middle East , nothing stops you from opening a new thread

but that wasn’t the aim of what I opened this thread for.

Your entire post. The thread is about treatment of christians and people are trying to talk about it by sharing information. You've just lobbed in a generalisation that is patently untrue. You have ascribed something said by an individual to a whole state and its people.

but that wasn’t the aim of what I opened this thread for.

Indeed, I think the aim of opening this thread is quite clear.

So true its sad to see what Israel has become, no longer a democratic state

But nevertheless Beret's point about trying talk about this without descending into black and white fortresses is a good one, no? Could we do that?

One of the reasons why it’s important to highlight what Christian’s are going through in Jerusalem is because it’s also their holy land.

Yes, absolutely.

Hostility and violence against Christians has increased in Israel since Netanyahu and his right wing government came to power.

Of course it should be discussed. If people would rather have discussions about the treatment of Christians in the ME, they should start a thread about.