This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 2)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/28/one-in-five-pregnant-women-in-gaza-clinic-are-malnourished-doctors-warn

Two more children have died of starvation/dehydration bringing total deaths to 27

Two more children in northern Gaza die from starvation

Local sources say that two more children have died due to severe malnutrition and dehydration at Kamal Adwan Hospital in Beit Lahia, in northern Gaza
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From Haaretz Israeli Newspaper:

ISRAEL: Police prevented hundreds of young Palestinians from entering the Al-Aqsa Mosquefor the first prayer of the month of Ramadan Sunday evening, contrary to PM Netanyahu's promises that there would be no restrictions on freedom of worship. Jordan's Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi said restrictions imposed by Israel on Muslim worshippers was pushing the situation towards an "explosion”

Also from Haaretz

IDF Chief of Staff Herzl Halevi issued a disciplinary note to Brigadier General Barak Hiram, commander of Division 99, for ordering the demolition of the Israa University compound in southern Gaza City without proper authorization.
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IDF Officer Reprimanded for Gaza University Demolition May Become Netanyahu's Military Secretary
Brig. Gen. Barak Haram, the commander who gave the order to shell a house in Kibbutz Be'eri on October 7 with Israeli hostages inside – all of whom died – was recently interviewed by Netanyahu for military secretary role
Jonathan LisMichael Hauser Tov
Mar 11, 2024 10:42 pm IST

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently interviewed for the position of his military secretary Brig. Gen. Barak Hiram, who on October 7 ordered a tank to shell a home in Kibbutz Be'eri in which Hamas terrorists were holding hostages. Thirteen Israelis were killed in the incident, along with their captors.

(This as much of these stories as was given on the Haaretz feed)

This Brigadeer Barak Haram seems possibly to be a person who acts too impulsively to be a good choice.

Re: Universities in Gaza - All gone now

From newspaper Le Monde
“According to Palestinian news agency Wafa, the Israeli army has destroyed or damaged all 12 universities in the Gaza Strip, by means of air strikes or bombs. At the beginning of January, around 75% of the enclave's educational infrastructure had been damaged, according to the UN.5 days ago”
www.lemonde.fr › article
All 12 universities in Gaza have been the target of Israeli attacks - Le Monde”

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From: The Conversation

“Gaza’s education system has suffered significantly since Israel’s bombardment and assault on the strip began. Last month, Israel blew up Gaza’s last standing university, Al-Israa University.

In the past four months, all or parts of Gaza’s 12 universities have been bombed and mostly destroyed.

Approximately 378 schools have been destroyed or damaged.

The Palestinian Ministry of Education has reported the deaths of over 4,327 students, 231 teachersand 94 professors.

Numerous cultural heritage sites, including libraries, archives and museums, have also been destroyed, damaged and plundered……..( it continues)
https://theconversation.com/the-war-in-gaza-is-wiping-out-palestines-education-and-knowledge-systems-222055

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Gaza people rate education extremely highly.

“According to data published by UNESCO, the male literacy rate in Palestine is 98.79 percent, while for females it is 96.2 percent. These numbers are considered extraordinary, not only within the context of the Middle East region, but also because Palestine is under Israeli occupation.9 Sept 2023”

www.palestinechronicle.com/on-international-literacy-day-palestine-women-fight-back-against-neglect-occupation/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68513408

A BBC article including a first hand account of how medical staff were treated at Nasser Hospital.

Excellent if gruesome account of the sack of Nasser hospital by the BBC @Scirocco - IDF also disinterred 400 bodies there sending 47 to Israel for identification but no hostage remains found

How will all this terrible mess ever be accounted for

Only 134 aid trucks allowed into Gaza yesterday

A whole UNWRA/WHO aid convoy containing medical aid was turned back yesterday because it contained medical scissors [previously permitted] - photo of the them look more like kids craft scissors

Open Arms still in Cyprus? No reports of it having sailed

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with this post?

Israel and Hamas are engaged in a Non-international Conflict.

I think you will find that under article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations that Hamas is classed as an armed 'non-state actor'.

The conflict would not be governed by the entirety of the laws of war, but instead by the more limited Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions along with numerous customary law rules, which derive from general practices accepted as law.
Common Article 3, which applies to civilians and those no longer fighting, prohibits practices such as torture, summary execution and denial of a fair trial.

But Prisoner of War status only applies to conflicts between states so would not apply.

Protecting civilian populations caught in warfare essentially depends upon three factors:

1. Civilians must abstain from fighting;
2. The party in control of the civilian population must not place them at heightened risk of harm by using them as human shields; and
3. The attacking force must take precautions to avoid or minimize excessive civilian casualties when attacking lawful targets.

We all know that No.2 isn't taking place.

And because n2 isn’t taking place then Israel can do whatever they want with civilians and you’re happy with it?

are you happy that Palestinian doctors are tortured by Israel?

I'm quoting International Law.

If I have made an error then I will be pleased to be corrected.

Israel can't "do whatever they want with civilians" - read my post but we don't know if these people complaining are civilians.

Whether I am happy of not doesn't change International Law.

Open Arms has now reportedly been seen leaving Larnaca for it's 2 day voyage to Gaza

Pretty sure bbc will be aware that these people aren’t Hamas members. If they were Hamas members then doubt Israel would have released them and allowed them to inform to bbc that

Palestinian medical staff in Gaza have told the BBC they were blindfolded, detained, forced to strip and repeatedly beaten by Israeli troops after a raid at their hospital last month.

icj few weeks ago asked Israel to protect civilians. Imo torturing civilians is not protecting them. Hence why I can see why @Scirocco has posted this bbc link.

@EasterIssland Pretty sure bbc will be aware that these people aren’t Hamas members

You mean the same BBC that broadcasted that Israel had bombed a hospital and killed 500 people when it was a misfired rocket from Gaza that landed in the carpark?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/bbc-reporter-wrong-israel-gaza-hospital-blast-1235623601/

I wont bother arguing with someone that is happy with torture. Have a good day

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@Littlebowiepeep This thread is a place to share and discuss information about what Israeli forces are doing in Gaza. The link contains information about what Israeli forces are reported to be doing in Gaza. That's the point of the thread. The article also contains some information on why the hospital complex became a target for investigation, including a reference to the reported experience of a hostage there.

If you actually read the link, you can read a first-hand account from a doctor, who reports having been detained and subjected to some highly concerning experiences before being released without charge. So, in relation to your difficulties in distinguishing civilians from combatants, hopefully you could be reassured that the IDF did not deem this man to be a combatant - if they had deemed him to be one, they probably wouldn't have sent him on his way.

What do you think of his account? Do you think it is acceptable to treat a civilian like that?

What about the other examples in the article of conduct including allegations of physical and psychological torture, including mock executions? What about the images of people lying in hospital beds with their hands zip-tied?

From your posts, you do come across as not particularly concerned about the lives or wellbeing of Palestinians. But, rather than just dismissing these accounts, I would invite you to consider, how would you feel if these were not Palestinians but were British or American or Israeli people? Would you consider the allegations to be concerning and worthy of further investigation and discussion if they were made in relation to a different group of people?

I really thought that I had read every excuse under the sun to defend the actions of the IDF.
I also really cannot comprehend how anyone reading this article can think that it is acceptable to treat human beings that way.

I anticipate that one of the attempts at rebuttal will be something like "but maybe they didn't know he was a civilian when they detained him".

So, perhaps we should also ask - is it acceptable to treat a detainee or a suspect in this way? How would you feel if this were an account of how a British or American or Israeli citizen were reported to have been treated while detained, before being released without charge? Would that be ok, or would there be some concerns about what is alleged to have happened?

Just absolutely shocked at the BBC headlines today. How anyone could justify those beatings of those poor young doctors I can't imagine.

The people on here denying it are beneath contempt. That article has gone to great lengths to verify its information.

@Scirocco in the photos there are medical robes in front of them. They knew.

We all should know and acknowledge that it is never, ever acceptable to treat a detainee/suspect that way.
I believe that some ex UK special forces are facing criminal charges for this type of behaviour while serving in Iraq. I sincerely hope that these vile IDF individuals will face the consequences of their actions, but I fear that they will not.
I also think that this is not an isolated incident but this is endemic in the Israeli army. Why? The only answer is that they have been brainwashed into believing that Palestinians are sub humans. This is only explanation.

@Scirocco thank you for sharing that article. It was a difficult read but I'm glad it was published.
The abuse and routine torture of health care staff needs to be exposed. It has gone on unchecked for far too long.

Like they knew about all these 'medical staff' ?

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/19/middleeast/gaza-nasser-hospital-doctors-strip-idf-intl/index.html#:~:text=The%20IDF%20said%20Monday%20they,raid%20on%20the%20medical%20complex.

Did @Littlebowiepeep miss this disclaimer to the CNN article? Strange because we already know she/he is very keen on verified sources

''CNN cannot independently confirm the IDF’s claims, but the military released video of a soldier apparently in a hospital pharmacy showing boxes of medicines bearing the names of current and former hostages.''

This is disgusting. Medics just doing their jobs, abducted, tortured, some of them missing. This is not OK. The same with UN workers being abducted and tortured. Why are Western leaders ok with this? If this was Russia abducting UN workers and Ukrainian medics, torturing them, breaking thier bones, disappearing them, they would not be silent.

Not to mention the patients that died whilst Israel was busy abducting and torturing innocent people who are supposed to have protected status. None of this is OK, there can be no excuses. The double standards are clear to see, Israel needs to be held to the same standards as everyone else that engages in heinous crimes not be funded and mollycoddled. We know this is happening now, it needs to be stopped now, saying lessons will be learnt in 5 years time is not good enough.

It is interesting how some people seem to think these are acceptable ways to go about detention and investigation.

(And let's not forget what the people in that complex endured beforehand...)