This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 2)

[Eyesopenwideawake]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/28/one-in-five-pregnant-women-in-gaza-clinic-are-malnourished-doctors-warn

It doesn't matter what's in the videos. None of it is real apparently 🙄

Just read a post saying the poor man was deaf

There is also the same video with the man’s face not hazed out where you can see blood on the man’s lower neck and behind him on the bed.
I posted screens shots but then realised that was wrong and asked MN to delete the post.

Anyway, for anyone wanting to deny this is true, that part of the video could be AI or spliced.

Anyway, for anyone wanting to deny this is true, that part of the video could be AI or spliced.

To be clear I do think it is the same man the soldiers were talking about and congratulating the killer about killing. The killer said the man had tried to hide by the bed, and there was blood on the wood of the bed where he had slumped down next to it.

UNRWA communications director Juliette Touma said the agency planned to hand the information in the 11-page, unpublished report to agencies inside and outside the U.N. specialised in documenting potential human rights abuses.
"When the war comes to an end there needs to be a series of inquiries to look into all violations of human rights," she said.
The document said several UNRWA Palestinian staffers had been detained by the Israeli army, and added that the ill-treatment and abuse they said they had experienced included severe physical beatings, waterboarding, and threats of harm to family members.

"Agency staff members have been subject to threats and coercion by the Israeli authorities while in detention, and pressured to make false statements against the Agency, including that the Agency has affiliations with Hamas and that UNRWA staff members took part in the 7 October 2023 atrocities,” the report says.

www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/unrwa-report-says-israel-coerced-some-agency-employees-falsely-admit-hamas-links-2024-03-08/

The whole thing is dreadful. It is made even more dreadful because I cannot see a solution to it. Many on here talk of a "two state solution" as some kind of cure all, but I do not think it will happen, and even if it did that would not be enough for the jihadists who will settle for nothing less than the complete destruction of the Jewish State of Israel

You may be right that there would always be those militant Palestinians who would want that, but so too there are many Israelis who want to eliminate all Palestinians. Here is an example:

• Rabbi Eliyahu Mali, head of the Hesder Shirat Moshe Yeshiva in Jaffa, said at a yeshiva conference that the entire Gazan population should be killed, claiming that "There are no innocents, even an old man is capable of picking up a rifle and shooting."

(from Haaretz roundup today)

Then there are Israelis who believe that God gave them all the land; and Israelis illegally settling in the West Bank.

A two state solution has to be better than what has been happening imo.

I have also heard some Israelis and Palestinians speak of a one state as the only real solution ( both would live in a land that reaches from the river to the sea then), but the idea of that working seems too much to hope for as things are.

The Open Arms humanitarian ship fully loaded with 200 tonnes of wheat, rice, tinned tuna and ready to sail from Cyprus - 'waiting on Israel to give the green light' - destination of ship in Gaza and how aid will be unloaded/distributed not being shared by Israel 'for security reasons'

Journey from Cyprus to Gaza will take 50 hours

Another humanitarian vessel the US General Frank Besson has sailed from the USA carrying engineers, equipment and components to build the temporary floating port in Gaza - no indication of how long this journey will take

There are 6 border crossings from Israel into Gaza and vast amounts of aid being stored in surrounding countries so no real need for all this if only Israel was minded to relieve the hunger and suffering. And absolutely no garantee that Israel won't sabotage these latest attempts at doing it by sea

I went back yesterday and looked to see when the Cyprus maritime route was first suggested and it was the first week of November

The whole point of the IDF wearing Go-Pro cameras is so they can be used in a debrief after the mission is over. (Incidentally I didn't see any on the footage shown)

It seems that this footage concerning a dead man has fallen into the hands of the enemy. The problem with all this, is that the chain of evidence has been broken.

The IDF have no way of knowing if the footage has been 'doctored'.

Another question that needs answering is why the man was in an area where the IDF were operating?

Before the IDF enter an area they do leaflet drops to tell civilians to evacuate. They are also told that if they remain then they will be classed as 'enemy' and could be shot.

Instead of broadcasting this all over the internet the best course of action would have been to leave the equipment where it was for the IDF to collect later.
Then a full investigation could be carried out.

Now that is unlikely to happen.

A young woman and another baby died of starvation in hospital yesterday bringing the total number of deaths to 25

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@Littlebowiepeep I believe @ConnieCounter was right when they said you're so far into it the eyes don't want to see what the eyes see. (Along those lines)

OK, that's your opinion.

So Al Jezeera aired footage supplied by Al Qassam, which is the military arm of Hamas.

As you are aware, Hamas is a proscribed terrorist group supported by Qatar.

Qatar part-funds Al Jezeera.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/12/19/10-things-to-know-about-hamas-and-qatar/#:~:text=Qatar%20is%20a%20major%20Hamas%20financier&text=Doha%20pledged%20%24360%20million%20of,other%20aid%20flowing%20into%20Gaza.

@Littlebowiepeep If the various pieces of footage where of Hamas killing unarmed Israelis, would you be as disparaging?

Completely off topic now

If you want better on the ground news sources maybe lobby the Israeli government to

allow into Gaza independent international journalists
stop killing local journalists

Why is it that so many people can quite rightly express horror and outrage when Israeli civilians are killed by Hamas, but when it is Palestinian civilians, those same people stay silent or victim blame?

Is the blood of people like me and my loved ones worth so much less to you?

That depended on what the source was.

If it came from a news outlet that was connected with a genocidal terrorist group, sure I'd be cynical.

How do we know who are Palestinian civilians and who are Hamas?

@Efacsen "Completely off topic now"

I think not.

If people post links etc we need to know where they came from and if they are verified.

News sources need to be questioned.

Well, I'm not Hamas. Neither were my friends and colleagues who have been killed.

But thank you for making it clear whose lives matter to you and whose don't.

Over 5 months into this war trying to school this thread [which is about what Israel is doing to Gaza] about reliable sources is laughable and well off-topic

And disruptive as you well know

I'm pretty sure babies aren't Hamas.

Or the many other innocent civilians.

I wish people could just take their hate elsewhere.

I used to hope that people could try to consider that their words might hurt others, but actually I think some people actually get pleasure or validation from hurting people like me. So now I just wish they'd go away.

I'm really sorry that you've had to see this sort of hateful nonsense again

There is so much personalised cruelty and some posters who treat it like some kind of weird sport

Do take care

If people said these things about other groups of people, they would be roundly criticised. Yet people feel it's entirely socially acceptable to say these things about Palestinians and Muslims.

I'm increasingly concerned that there is no safe place in the West for my family.