Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

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Out of the 901 off-line cases of anti-Muslim hate, there were 535 reports of abusive behaviour, 77 threats, 83 assaults, 79 acts of vandalism, 69 cases of discrimination, 39 acts of hate speech and 19 examples of anti-Muslim literature.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

OppsUpSide I’m not suggesting it’s irrelevant I was giving you the main reason behind it and yes Muslim communities in the Middle East faced the brunt of it. We need to address our arms sales and foreign policies. We create terrorists when we cause terror. Muslims and Islam is no more violent then any other people or religion.

Talk about there being no more blind than those who refuse to see.

The USA and UK have, in recent years, killed literally millions of people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc. and now are supporting the genocide of Palestinians, but you lot are worrying about Islamic terrorism? And claim to care oh so much about how Muslim women are treated, that you will cheer on their murder and the murder of their children.

You aren't frightened of Islam, you just hate

‘Why is the UK expected to value Muslims’

You are right. Let’s be as intolerant as other countries and make the lives of peace-loving Muslims horrendous in this country. Race to the absolute bottom. Fab idea.

Your real view is clear but of course you won’t say that directly.

Anyway, people always look at extremes. Thousands of Muslim people are integrated in their multicultural communities here. Getting on with each other and respecting and learning from each other. Using the peaceful parts of their religion for tolerance, generosity and charity. Yet racists love focussing on the vile and vocal minority who abuse others, engage in terrorism, are part of abhorrent gangs like in Rotherham etc. These hideous individuals deserve censure and are detested equally if not more by decent Muslims, but racists love to hone in on them and make out that all Muslim people are like that. Racist stereotyping at its finest.

This.

This thread is a step by step guide in anti islamic sentiment and justification.

You mean like conversations like this focus on the very few vocal racists, and suddenly the whole UK is a racist country? You mean sweeping generalisations like that? My point was that some Muslims in some countries aren't welcoming or tolerant of others, and some people in some other countries aren't welcoming or tolerant of Muslims - the world is the same the world over, it's nothing to do with a race to the bottom, it's about balance. Which countries, on the whole, have stable and cohesive societies - those with manageable and managed immigration where people properly integrate, not those where people have their own separate communities. There's nothing wrong with retaining culture and tradition, but when other countries are expected to change their culture and traditions to accommodate it, you just have issues.

And seriously, what does anyone think that the weekly marches will achieve, even though parliament voted in favour of a ceasefire? Does anyone think that Hamas and IDF are now reconsidering their positions, just because a baying mob intimidated UK MPs in to doing something which they perhaps didn't even want to, because they were apparently fearful for their safety? That really does paint this in a lovely light, doesn't it?

@usernamealreadytaken part of the issue is that this isn't an issue of a very small minority. Racism, religious intolerance, and other prejudices are widespread and normalised in large sections of UK society.

You are ranting about stuff that I wasn’t commenting on. And I do not believe that the majority of people I meet in the UK are racist.

when other countries are expected to change their culture and traditions to accommodate it, you just have issues
Any specific examples you wish to share?

but when other countries are expected to change their culture and traditions to accommodate it, you just have issues.

That sounds like the yearly Daily Mailesqe stories about how christmas decorations are going to be banned in Birmingham because of "the Muslims" and then the Muslim community has to wheel out one of their leaders each year to point out that no, they actually like the decorations thank you very much and they don't mind the time off either and have zero issues wishing their colleagues a happy christmas

As they are around the rest of the world, including the Muslim world. Why do we think that Muslims who immigrate here, or are born but grow up with those who have immigrated, would have a different view of us?

Does Islam grant women equal rights to men or not? Or are you saying it is entirely coincidental that every Muslim country women do not have equal rights?

What about people who convert away from Islam (apostates), how tolerant is Islam of them?

I'm not sure what you mean there, @usernamealreadytaken , are you saying that because prejudice is an issue in a lot of places that we shouldn't challenge it here in the UK?

Do you think that about other groups, or is there something specific about Muslims for you?

Not exactly helped by this Government, either.

Halal slaughter, allowing students to leave classes for prayer sessions, allowing face coverings for religious purposes but not other (eg petrol stations refusing to serve motorcyclists if they do not remove their crash helmets), provision of long term interpreter services because people do not learn the native language, being labelled racist for objecting to any of these very few examples.

Changing parliamentary procedure because of apparent threats from Islamic extremists.

There are many spaces in which issues such as face covering policies, education opportunities, food standards, etc can be discussed and debated. Verbal and physical abuse, discrimination, stigmatisation and hatred are not discussion and debate. They're hate crimes.

This is an example of why language matters.

We used to talk about extremists using quite specific descriptors.

Then it moved to 'Islamist'.

Now it's 'Islamic'.

The language gets broader and vaguer, more innocent people get associated with the idea and hating and fearing Muslims in general becomes more acceptable.

The language we use matters.

I am failing to see the point of this post. Firstly, let me assure you that white expats are generally treated very well everywhere. Take Bahrain and Dubai, for example. They are often invited to assume highly paid roles with obscene benefits. Some roles will even blatantly only be available to white candidates. None of this however, should have any bearing on how we treat people in the UK.

So are we to understand according to your thinking, because there is a small minority of prejudice Muslims, it is acceptable for there to be widespread Islamophobia? And it’s acceptable for you to make this very shameful point, because you have one whole Muslim friend… does she know you’re using her like this?

"Literally millions" in recent years, @Coyoacan? Any actual source for your figures?

Genocide of Palestinians? Are you aware that the Palestinian population has increased almost every single year since records began, and life expectancy has also increased? Sounds like the most inept genocide ever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Palestine

Anyone care to address women’s rights?

Of course countries should have to make a few small changes to their culture to accommodate the change in population. When I was a child there were 2 billion fewer people in the world. It's not reasonable to expect people to stay where their families are from indefinitely. The people who move and the countries who take them in both need to make a few adjustments so everyone can continue to live happily and without some kind of weird forced conversion of immigrants. None of this is new, the religious make up of this country has changed several times over the centuries.

The bald faced hypocrisy of some posters on here complaining about the rights of Muslim women, when the UK is selling arms to a country committing a genocide in which 70% of the victims are women and children. Don’t pretend you give a shit about Muslim women or their rights. You’re just racist.

Not sure what relevance largely wealthy and highly skilled or well-educated ex-pats (white, or any other colour) have on this conversation - ex-pats tend to be short-term residents specifically for work purposes, or are self supporting. To extend your argument, are Dubai and Bahrain welcoming of white ex-pats who lose their jobs, who can no longer support themselves? Do they allow them to wear any clothes they choose to, and do they ensure that pork sausages are available if that's what those ex-pats choose to eat? Do they generously support those poor souls, and invite them to bring their entire extended families to stay, and allow them to live in nice little white enclaves? Do they buggery. The current conversation relates to citizens and immigrants, and the accommodations made or not made for them.

The UK is frequently portrayed as a racist country, although there are few racists. Muslims are largely peaceful and lovely people, but there are a few Islamist extremists and therefore they are treated in exactly the same way as the peaceful and welcoming Brits - tarred with the brush of the vocal and visual minority.

There's a growing Muslim population in this country who is not willing to live happily alongside us and respect our customs though and we've seen plenty of evidence for this over recent years, that is where the concern stems from. Unfortunately I don't see many moderate Muslim's tackling this from within.

And what "small adjustments" do majority Muslim countries make so that everyone can live happily? One of the points I'm making is that some Muslims do not want to live in majority Muslim countries, but then do expect their host countries to make adaptations for them, which they are well aware their home nation would not do for immigrants. If Muslims don't want to live in majority Muslim countries because of the way they are run, perhaps they could address that, rather than leaving?

Perhaps if you're interested in a discussion about comparisons of rights between cultures, countries and faiths, that might be more appropriate in another thread. Unless you're suggesting that your concerns for the rights of women justify hate crimes and discrimination against Muslims, including Muslim women.