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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

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EasterIssland · 22/02/2024 19:24

Out of the 901 off-line cases of anti-Muslim hate, there were 535 reports of abusive behaviour, 77 threats, 83 assaults, 79 acts of vandalism, 69 cases of discrimination, 39 acts of hate speech and 19 examples of anti-Muslim literature.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

Greatest rise in anti-Muslim hate in UK since Hamas's attack on 7 October

Incidents included verbal threats, online abuse and in one instance, a Muslim family had the word "Hamas" written on their front door, a UK-based organisation has said.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

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usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:10

Desertrose2023 · 27/02/2024 10:58

The bald faced hypocrisy of some posters on here complaining about the rights of Muslim women, when the UK is selling arms to a country committing a genocide in which 70% of the victims are women and children. Don’t pretend you give a shit about Muslim women or their rights. You’re just racist.

Not sure which country you're referring to which is currently committing genocide - would that be Myanmar(against the Rohingya), or China (against the Uyghur)? You know, the actual genocides not just the media ones. Can't recall the weekly marches in support and solidarity with those who are actually facing genocide, can you? I wonder why the Palestinian non-genocide genocide is so different - clue, it might be down to the religion of the people who retaliated to the slaughter, rape and torture of over 1400 of their own citizens.

EasterIssland · 27/02/2024 11:11

SaffronSpice · 27/02/2024 10:55

Anyone care to address women’s rights?

And because they might not have equal rights then we should use it to hate speech on Muslims? Remember that’s what this thread is about. Not each characteristic about the religions.

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Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:11

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:03

There's a growing Muslim population in this country who is not willing to live happily alongside us and respect our customs though and we've seen plenty of evidence for this over recent years, that is where the concern stems from. Unfortunately I don't see many moderate Muslim's tackling this from within.

'People living normal diverse lives next to each other' doesn't sell newspapers.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:13

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:11

'People living normal diverse lives next to each other' doesn't sell newspapers.

So it's all made up?

Humdingerydoo · 27/02/2024 11:14

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:03

There's a growing Muslim population in this country who is not willing to live happily alongside us and respect our customs though and we've seen plenty of evidence for this over recent years, that is where the concern stems from. Unfortunately I don't see many moderate Muslim's tackling this from within.

You wouldn't see "moderate Muslims" tackling it though, would you? It takes a generation or two for changes to filter through organically, but the changes do happen. Plus, there will be a ton of behind the scenes stuff that you (and me!) as an outsider won't see.

There will also be extremist stuff happening behind the scenes in certain places, and that needs to be dealt with as it's encouraging illegal activity. Just like white supremacists need to be dealt with.

I personally think it's a language thing - if the Qur'an was written in English instead of Arabic people wouldn't care half as much. They're scared of the unknown.

EasterIssland · 27/02/2024 11:14

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:03

There's a growing Muslim population in this country who is not willing to live happily alongside us and respect our customs though and we've seen plenty of evidence for this over recent years, that is where the concern stems from. Unfortunately I don't see many moderate Muslim's tackling this from within.

I’m Spanish
I could say the same thing about the Spanish people that come to the uk and refuse to engage with local people and only have friends from Spain / Italy

and don’t get me started with expats in Spain who have got their “ghettos” and don’t learn the language and only go out with British people.

however, I’d never use this reason to commit hate crime against a community. Unlike you might be suggesting that because some Muslims refuse to respect British culture , then Muslims like the ones posting in this thread have to put up with anything because they’re Muslims

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CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:17

EasterIssland · 27/02/2024 11:14

I’m Spanish
I could say the same thing about the Spanish people that come to the uk and refuse to engage with local people and only have friends from Spain / Italy

and don’t get me started with expats in Spain who have got their “ghettos” and don’t learn the language and only go out with British people.

however, I’d never use this reason to commit hate crime against a community. Unlike you might be suggesting that because some Muslims refuse to respect British culture , then Muslims like the ones posting in this thread have to put up with anything because they’re Muslims

I'm sorry but we can't say the same thing about Spanish people here (well not in the last 500 years). I'm not talking about ghettoising but explicitly violence and abuse.

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:19

@usernamealreadytaken your understanding of racism is so basic I don’t even know where to begin. When racism or any other kind of prejudice is talked about on a national level individual interactions are only a very very small part of what is being discussed. How this manifests at an institutional level and affects life outcomes is much more relevant. Health inequalities, levels of unemployment, rampant Islamophobia in the press etc. Even if every Muslim person in the UK had a prejudice against white people (which they do not) it is highly unlikely that you would experience this to the same extent.

I am dying at your pork sausage argument. Do we provide cannabis to people from nations in which it is legalised because that something that they choose to partake in? You must live in a different UK to me because last I checked we don’t even give refugees time to find accommodation when they're accepted, a lot of them end up homeless on the street.

You can lay blame for the rise of “parallel societies” firmly at the feet of your own people. Multiculturalism was enshrined in policy for decades. Similarly, you can’t blame immigrant communities for the white flight which has resulted in areas which are overwhelmingly populated by one group.

Few racists? According to you, you aren’t one of them and yet a lot of people on this thread would beg to differ. Somehow, I don’t think you are qualified to determine who is, and who is not racist.

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:20

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:13

So it's all made up?

It receives unbalanced coverage. Why would media give time and space to things like charitable work undertaken by Muslim organisations, successful interfaith projects, etc? That doesn't generate nearly the same amount of interest as they could get with stories of injustice, fear or controversy.

I suspect that, in most places, if people reached out across cultural and religious divides, they would find far more in common with each other than not, if they approach it with an open mind and heart.

Desertrose2023 · 27/02/2024 11:21

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usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:31

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:19

@usernamealreadytaken your understanding of racism is so basic I don’t even know where to begin. When racism or any other kind of prejudice is talked about on a national level individual interactions are only a very very small part of what is being discussed. How this manifests at an institutional level and affects life outcomes is much more relevant. Health inequalities, levels of unemployment, rampant Islamophobia in the press etc. Even if every Muslim person in the UK had a prejudice against white people (which they do not) it is highly unlikely that you would experience this to the same extent.

I am dying at your pork sausage argument. Do we provide cannabis to people from nations in which it is legalised because that something that they choose to partake in? You must live in a different UK to me because last I checked we don’t even give refugees time to find accommodation when they're accepted, a lot of them end up homeless on the street.

You can lay blame for the rise of “parallel societies” firmly at the feet of your own people. Multiculturalism was enshrined in policy for decades. Similarly, you can’t blame immigrant communities for the white flight which has resulted in areas which are overwhelmingly populated by one group.

Few racists? According to you, you aren’t one of them and yet a lot of people on this thread would beg to differ. Somehow, I don’t think you are qualified to determine who is, and who is not racist.

"My" people? Not sure who you think "my" people are. I'm the daughter of a refugee, and because my skin is a little darker than white I got called a P when I was a child. Because some of my childhood friends were Indian Hindus, I got called a P-lover. Because my family escaped the Nazis, I am inherently suspicious of anyone who hates Jews. We're all racist, no matter what our colour, because it's not only whites who are racist. But yeah, let your lazy xenophobia shine through.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:31

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:20

It receives unbalanced coverage. Why would media give time and space to things like charitable work undertaken by Muslim organisations, successful interfaith projects, etc? That doesn't generate nearly the same amount of interest as they could get with stories of injustice, fear or controversy.

I suspect that, in most places, if people reached out across cultural and religious divides, they would find far more in common with each other than not, if they approach it with an open mind and heart.

I agree, most people are decent and honest and of course that includes Muslims. But there is an extremely hostile and intolerant minority who continue to intimidate, threaten and commit acts of violence against us. These acts are becoming more frequent. As I said I can only see it being effectively addressed with from within the Muslim community as those who commit the acts reject everything we in the west stand for.

Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 11:33

@CroftonWillow who is 'us' that you refer to? time and time again as a British Muslim who was born here and grew up here, I am reminded that I am not seen as a part of British society. I am and always will be an outsider.

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:34

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:19

@usernamealreadytaken your understanding of racism is so basic I don’t even know where to begin. When racism or any other kind of prejudice is talked about on a national level individual interactions are only a very very small part of what is being discussed. How this manifests at an institutional level and affects life outcomes is much more relevant. Health inequalities, levels of unemployment, rampant Islamophobia in the press etc. Even if every Muslim person in the UK had a prejudice against white people (which they do not) it is highly unlikely that you would experience this to the same extent.

I am dying at your pork sausage argument. Do we provide cannabis to people from nations in which it is legalised because that something that they choose to partake in? You must live in a different UK to me because last I checked we don’t even give refugees time to find accommodation when they're accepted, a lot of them end up homeless on the street.

You can lay blame for the rise of “parallel societies” firmly at the feet of your own people. Multiculturalism was enshrined in policy for decades. Similarly, you can’t blame immigrant communities for the white flight which has resulted in areas which are overwhelmingly populated by one group.

Few racists? According to you, you aren’t one of them and yet a lot of people on this thread would beg to differ. Somehow, I don’t think you are qualified to determine who is, and who is not racist.

"You must live in a different UK to me because last I checked we don’t even give refugees time to find accommodation when they're accepted, a lot of them end up homeless on the street."

You're upset because refugees or those given leave to remain (because we have a laze civil service that can't even process claims of people with no paperwork) are treated in the same way as any other citizen of this country? That's your beef? Do you think in some way they should be prioritised over people who are already here, and have also been waiting to be housed?

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:34

Parkingt111 · 27/02/2024 11:33

@CroftonWillow who is 'us' that you refer to? time and time again as a British Muslim who was born here and grew up here, I am reminded that I am not seen as a part of British society. I am and always will be an outsider.

Non-Muslims.

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:35

@CroftonWillow and what about the intimidation, threats and violence against Muslims? Should we accept that, or should we be able to say that's not ok either? Because that's what this thread is about - the hatred, discrimination and abuse experienced by Muslims.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:36

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:35

@CroftonWillow and what about the intimidation, threats and violence against Muslims? Should we accept that, or should we be able to say that's not ok either? Because that's what this thread is about - the hatred, discrimination and abuse experienced by Muslims.

It's wrong but it's unfortunately an inevitable response.

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:37

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:31

"My" people? Not sure who you think "my" people are. I'm the daughter of a refugee, and because my skin is a little darker than white I got called a P when I was a child. Because some of my childhood friends were Indian Hindus, I got called a P-lover. Because my family escaped the Nazis, I am inherently suspicious of anyone who hates Jews. We're all racist, no matter what our colour, because it's not only whites who are racist. But yeah, let your lazy xenophobia shine through.

Xenophobia… you do know what that word means right? Google it. Read back every single post you have made here. Then apply it to yourself.

Jewish people? The same Jewish people who eat kosher food. I’m assuming you dislike that alongside halal food. Also, where have I brought up Jewish people?

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:37

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:36

It's wrong but it's unfortunately an inevitable response.

Nice victim blaming there.

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 11:39

MCOut · 27/02/2024 11:37

Xenophobia… you do know what that word means right? Google it. Read back every single post you have made here. Then apply it to yourself.

Jewish people? The same Jewish people who eat kosher food. I’m assuming you dislike that alongside halal food. Also, where have I brought up Jewish people?

Like I said, we're all racist. Some just won't admit it.

CroftonWillow · 27/02/2024 11:39

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:37

Nice victim blaming there.

Nowhere have I indicated I'm blaming the victims (I assume you mean non-extremist Muslims?). I clearly lay the blame at the extremists.

Auvergne63 · 27/02/2024 11:39

usernamealreadytaken · 27/02/2024 10:35

Halal slaughter, allowing students to leave classes for prayer sessions, allowing face coverings for religious purposes but not other (eg petrol stations refusing to serve motorcyclists if they do not remove their crash helmets), provision of long term interpreter services because people do not learn the native language, being labelled racist for objecting to any of these very few examples.

Halal slaughter
Do you also object to Kosher slaughter?
Allowing students to leave classes for prayer sessions
Why do you take exception to this? As an ex teacher of 20 years, I have never seen this happen with my Muslim pupils or colleagues. Even if I had, this would not have troubled me.
Allowing face coverings for religious purposes but not other
We live in a society which openly accepts the display of religious identifiers. Wearing a bike helmet is not one of these.
Provision of long term interpreter services because people do not learn the native language.
The language you speak is not defined by your faith.

SaffronSpice · 27/02/2024 11:40

EasterIssland · 27/02/2024 11:11

And because they might not have equal rights then we should use it to hate speech on Muslims? Remember that’s what this thread is about. Not each characteristic about the religions.

So you admit that women do not have equal rights in Islam? That Muslims do not treat women equally?

Why should I not be concerned about the influence of a religion that seeks to undermine my rights?

Scirocco · 27/02/2024 11:42

In this thread...

Us vs them
It's their own fault
Antisemitism is bad
Pork sausages must be available everywhere

We just need "Coming here, stealing our jobs and our women" and it's pretty much a full house in Casual Islamophobia Bingo.

The sad part is that people probably genuinely don't see it as being wrong. It's normal for people in the UK to be able to say these things to their friends and colleagues, on the internet, on TV.

Even in a thread specifically intended to be about Anti-Muslim hatred, it's turning into a thread of Anti-Muslim sentiments.

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