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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

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EasterIssland · 22/02/2024 19:24

Out of the 901 off-line cases of anti-Muslim hate, there were 535 reports of abusive behaviour, 77 threats, 83 assaults, 79 acts of vandalism, 69 cases of discrimination, 39 acts of hate speech and 19 examples of anti-Muslim literature.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

Greatest rise in anti-Muslim hate in UK since Hamas's attack on 7 October

Incidents included verbal threats, online abuse and in one instance, a Muslim family had the word "Hamas" written on their front door, a UK-based organisation has said.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

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OppsUpsSide · 22/02/2024 22:28

@PeasfullPerson i think you are right. I do think ‘hate’ does come from some Islamic factions (see above) which has a hugely negative impact on the majority of Muslim communities, I also think this is a discussion those communities very much need to have a voice in. Unfortunately I don’t think that all came across in my original post!

Nazzywish · 22/02/2024 23:01

Point in case proven by the vitarol spouted here by the islamaphobes OP. Some people don't want to understand the 'other' just mud sling as usual.

And yes muslims are othered. When's the last time most of you spouting this hate actually spoke to one or engaged with a female Muslim 121 in a cordial way. Try it. Might knock some humanity into you.

Scirocco · 22/02/2024 23:03

It really didn't come across that way, @OppsUpsSide . It came across as actually quite offensive and as though Muslims have no right to expect anything better than Islamophobia because those unpleasant people do horrible things. I'm relieved to hear that isn't how it was meant though.

Yes, I think a major step towards resolving extremism in any community involves the different groups within that community being able to feel supported and welcome to participate in meaningful debate around it.

There are common themes in radicalisation in different communities - themes of isolation, hopelessness, marginalisation, creating vulnerability to groups claiming to have all the answers or offering an accessible 'other' to blame for people's difficulties. Happy, fulfilled people with good support networks and education don't tend to be as vulnerable. Creating opportunities for social inclusion, safety, education, etc all help create an environment in which toxic beliefs hold less sway.

I think a lot of people don't realise how nuch work goes on in Muslim communities to tackle these factors and to try to provide alternatives to extremism. There are loads of projects, local and national, working in this area. But it's rare for any of these to get any positive media coverage, so people don't see what's going on.

OppsUpsSide · 22/02/2024 23:16

There are common themes in radicalisation in different communities - themes of isolation, hopelessness, marginalisation, creating vulnerability to groups claiming to have all the answers or offering an accessible 'other' to blame for people's difficulties.

I absolutely agree with this, I also would say Muslims do have good representation and agency and this should be highlighted more.

I think a lot of people don't realise much work goes on in Muslim communities to tackle these factors and to try to provide alternatives to extremism. There are loads of projects, local and national, working in this area. But it's rare for any of these to get any positive media coverage, so people don't see what's going on.

Again I agree, see the link I posted above as an example.

It really didn't come across that way

I have agreed already that it didn’t, however my subsequent posts have provided a much fuller explanation and I would welcome any comment you have about those.

FOJN · 22/02/2024 23:16

Sometimes people will post with intention of provoking, once deletions on the thread have turned it into swiss cheese it inevitably gets deleted which is only helpful to anyone wanting to silence the discussion.

I am sorry some of our Muslim posters are having to put up with so much hatred and then see it minimised.

PaintInColour · 22/02/2024 23:43

There has been Islamophobia after every terrorist attack since 9/11. But nobody gave a shit, there was no media outcry or march against Islamophobia. It’s interesting.

PaintInColour · 22/02/2024 23:44

Parkingt111 · 22/02/2024 20:33

It didn't take long for anti-muslim hate to be justified, and I'm not so suprised either.
I get anti-muslim hate at times in real life and its just something I have sort of accepted as part of being a muslim and a minority, as long as its not physical I try to shrug it off. And also keeping in mind that I am not the only minority to recieve hate simply for being who they are.

Muslim hatred is a chronic and accepted state. There are twitter accounts dedicated to blaming the ills of the country on Muslim immigrants. Women wearing hijabs getting daily abuse. Doesn’t make the headlines though.

OppsUpsSide · 23/02/2024 00:01

Muslim hatred is a chronic and accepted state.

with a Muslim head of state in Scotland and a Muslim mayor of London. You do the whole community a disservice by dismissing them as unrepresented and having no agency.

OppsUpsSide · 23/02/2024 00:09

#MosqueMeToo

Annime · 23/02/2024 00:39

@MissyB1 and all the rest who are calling me "racist". I find it funny but there you go. I clearly said that what is happening in Gaza is not great, just as what happened in Israel AND also what's happening in Sudan. What I'm wondering about is the almighty outrage for only those in Gaza or muslims in the UK. I want to highlight that those are not the only groups suffering. People who identify as Jews are also being targeted as well as if we look further afield, other people in other parts of the world. I mention Sudan because I happen to know people who have been affected.

Also, as in other areas of life where unfairness is called out, why is it that it's mostly like trying to debate a holier than thou crowd? Just because someone has a different take on something, doesn't mean they have somehow become racist.

PaintInColour · 23/02/2024 06:40

OppsUpsSide · 23/02/2024 00:01

Muslim hatred is a chronic and accepted state.

with a Muslim head of state in Scotland and a Muslim mayor of London. You do the whole community a disservice by dismissing them as unrepresented and having no agency.

Your comment makes no sense in response to mine. Have you seen the stuff said about Sadiq Khan and ‘Londonstan’? Please don’t dismiss my comment about chronic Islamophobia. My close relatives who wear hijabs experience abuse all the time. Despite there being a Muslim mayor. And no celebs etc speak up against it. There is indifference.

PaintInColour · 23/02/2024 06:42

Annime · 23/02/2024 00:39

@MissyB1 and all the rest who are calling me "racist". I find it funny but there you go. I clearly said that what is happening in Gaza is not great, just as what happened in Israel AND also what's happening in Sudan. What I'm wondering about is the almighty outrage for only those in Gaza or muslims in the UK. I want to highlight that those are not the only groups suffering. People who identify as Jews are also being targeted as well as if we look further afield, other people in other parts of the world. I mention Sudan because I happen to know people who have been affected.

Also, as in other areas of life where unfairness is called out, why is it that it's mostly like trying to debate a holier than thou crowd? Just because someone has a different take on something, doesn't mean they have somehow become racist.

what is happening in Gaza is not great

’not great’. Are you normally this understated about murder and massacre?

EasterIssland · 23/02/2024 07:07

Annime · 23/02/2024 00:39

@MissyB1 and all the rest who are calling me "racist". I find it funny but there you go. I clearly said that what is happening in Gaza is not great, just as what happened in Israel AND also what's happening in Sudan. What I'm wondering about is the almighty outrage for only those in Gaza or muslims in the UK. I want to highlight that those are not the only groups suffering. People who identify as Jews are also being targeted as well as if we look further afield, other people in other parts of the world. I mention Sudan because I happen to know people who have been affected.

Also, as in other areas of life where unfairness is called out, why is it that it's mostly like trying to debate a holier than thou crowd? Just because someone has a different take on something, doesn't mean they have somehow become racist.

This is a thread about what Muslims are going through. There is already threads about the hate Jewish people are suffering. You’re more than welcome to open a thread about the hate other communities are suffering. Please don’t minimise hate. Hate is not ok for anyone and respect that in this thread we’ve got Muslim peers who are expressing the situations they’ve beeen put through

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PeasfullPerson · 23/02/2024 07:51

What do people think about Michael Gove removing funding for The Inter Faith Network? I don’t have enough knowledge to make an informed comment, but my initial thoughts are suspicion towards the government as to why they have done this. Be interested to hear some informed views.

Scirocco · 23/02/2024 07:56

OppsUpsSide · 23/02/2024 00:01

Muslim hatred is a chronic and accepted state.

with a Muslim head of state in Scotland and a Muslim mayor of London. You do the whole community a disservice by dismissing them as unrepresented and having no agency.

Humza Yousaf and Sadiq Khan both receive a lot of Islamophobic abuse and Islamophobia colouring people's views of their work.

I am so proud of both of them, and Anas Sarwar, even when I may disagree with policies, for the strength and dignity they show in the face of that.

Muslims and in particular Muslim women, remain under-represented at senior levels in most fields, as do many ethnic, faith and cultural minorities.

Scirocco · 23/02/2024 08:03

It is socially acceptable enough to hate/distrust/fear Muslims that it is considered entirely reasonable to express these views at dinner parties, work events, while out shopping...

It isn't called out or given the same consequences by a lot of people in the same way as other forms of prejudice. If I hear someone I know say something prejudiced against another group of people, I challenge that. If I encounter someone experiencing racist/faith-based abuse, I would do what I could to help that person. That simply doesn't happen the other way around. It's not got the same social unacceptability. When things are normalised by politicians, the media, etc, they become normalised for the general public.

madderthanahatter · 23/02/2024 08:12

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Scirocco · 23/02/2024 08:12

PeasfullPerson · 23/02/2024 07:51

What do people think about Michael Gove removing funding for The Inter Faith Network? I don’t have enough knowledge to make an informed comment, but my initial thoughts are suspicion towards the government as to why they have done this. Be interested to hear some informed views.

He's linking it with the appointment of a person who has had links with the Muslim Council of Britain. The government refuse to engage with the MCB - there were issues with previous leadership, and steps were taken to address these, but the government has refused to re-engage despite that. The Inter Faith Network chose the appointment of that person as a suitable person, approved and supported by people of other faiths, but that wasn't good enough.

My suspicion is that the government would have been quite happy to withdraw funding - in a time where division and the further vilification of certain groups is actually quite politically useful to them and consistent with the expressed views of many party members and voters, it would be quite useful to remove resources from a network trying to build bridges to overcome division and improve communication. And in the process to be able to attribute that blame to one of the very groups they're not that keen on supporting? That's probably seen as another win.

madderthanahatter · 23/02/2024 08:29

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Dulra · 23/02/2024 08:32

Nantescalling · 22/02/2024 22:16

Rubbish !

It isn't rubbish

Hate speech is defied as offensive discourse targeting a group or an individual based on inherent characteristics (such as race, religion or gender) and that may threaten social peace.

The poster has suggested that the anti western, anti-semitic and pro terrorist sentiment, which they apparently have seen at the marches, is due to Muslims participating and then suggests that these same things are not seen at pro Israel marches. That is an offensive discourse targeting a group of people based on their religion and can most definitely threaten social peace by othering them in that way. The marches have people from all walks of life and all communities but the poster targeted only one group of people, why so?

User135644 · 23/02/2024 08:36

OppsUpsSide · 22/02/2024 22:03

People are afraid yes, of terrorists yes but also of Islamist ideology, especially now. I am assuming you know what I mean by Islamist as opposed to Islamic or Sufism etc.
unfortunately, whether people are right to be afraid or not rarely is enough to prevent it, and people are then vulnerable to disordered thinking when afraid.

It's not just terrorism. There's a lot of antisemitism around as sp many are pathological about Israel and Palestine. They're causing a lot of fear to Jewish communities.

User135644 · 23/02/2024 08:44

PaintInColour · 23/02/2024 06:42

what is happening in Gaza is not great

’not great’. Are you normally this understated about murder and massacre?

Gaza is also thousands of miles away. It's not our war.

PeasfullPerson · 23/02/2024 09:03

User135644 · 23/02/2024 08:44

Gaza is also thousands of miles away. It's not our war.

If there is ever a war that you consider to be of relevance to you and you feel like the rest of the world has turned away from you, then remember what you wrote in this moment.

PeasfullPerson · 23/02/2024 09:13

Interesting to hear more about The Inter Faith Network, why funding might have been pulled and how it felt on the ground.

Can’t wait to learn how the government will reinvest these funds in another community led group that will tackle the rise in inter faith hate. Or is it a case of they pull the funding and that’s it? Put all their resources into the flawed Prevent programme? The programme that seeks to criminalise and collect data on people with different views, further alienating them from official systems within the UK.

Wouldn’t be much of a surprise from a government that criminalises a 15 year old girl that was groomed and radicalised. I’m feeling very angry about this today. The system failed her. I’m feeling very angry about the racism and sexism behind UK decisions, decisions which don’t even align with those being made by our allies.