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Conflict in the Middle East

Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

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EasterIssland · 22/02/2024 19:24

Out of the 901 off-line cases of anti-Muslim hate, there were 535 reports of abusive behaviour, 77 threats, 83 assaults, 79 acts of vandalism, 69 cases of discrimination, 39 acts of hate speech and 19 examples of anti-Muslim literature.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

Greatest rise in anti-Muslim hate in UK since Hamas's attack on 7 October

Incidents included verbal threats, online abuse and in one instance, a Muslim family had the word "Hamas" written on their front door, a UK-based organisation has said.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

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Simonjt · 22/02/2024 20:43

NecessaryNC24 · 22/02/2024 20:40

Ofc not. I'm from central London and grew up extremely multiculturally. I'm utterly shocked how things are now, racism-wise, it's like we're going backwards.

We’re a mixed race family, three of us are Pakistani, we loved London so so much. But we
left as the racism was getting worse and worse, it just wasn’t safe for us to stay there with our children. My husband is Jewish, but that isn’t something thats outwardly visible, he hasn’t experienced racism, we couldn’t however hide the fact that we’re Pakistani.

Scirocco · 22/02/2024 20:44

namechangefornow123 · 22/02/2024 20:40

After the state of the protests, I'm not surprised.

Why?

stormy4319trevor · 22/02/2024 20:44

What a lot of new and unfamiliar posters.

Dulra · 22/02/2024 20:44

JamSandle · 22/02/2024 20:41

Antisemitic abuse is also heightened.

We are aware of that it has been spoken about for weeks. This thread was started to raise awareness about the rise anti Muslim hate which is just as worrying

LostNFoundSV · 22/02/2024 20:44

NecessaryNC24 · 22/02/2024 20:37

Yes. And the Jewish community are by far the minority in the UK so much more vulnerable IMO.

Precisely!

namechangefornow123 · 22/02/2024 20:47

@Scirocco because the marches have exhibited a lot of anti western, anti semitic and pro terrorist sentiment. It's quite eye opening how so many Muslim protestors view the country they live in. It's quite scary.

Funny how you don't see abuse at the pro Israel / bring the hostages back marches

Dulra · 22/02/2024 20:48

stormy4319trevor · 22/02/2024 20:44

What a lot of new and unfamiliar posters.

Yes I've noticed that. Seem to have the sole purpose of trying to stop a discussion about anti -muslim hate. I would hate to be so insecure that I couldn't tolerate another faith having a focus outside of my own, I'm genuinely bemused by it.

Scirocco · 22/02/2024 20:49

namechangefornow123 · 22/02/2024 20:41

This happens after acts of terrorism. Like 7/10.

I'm not sure I understand. Are you meaning that, as unpleasant elements of society were more likely to target Muslims in the wake of those atrocities, that more should have been done by the government/police/etc to try to help us stay safe? Or are you meaning that we should expect and accept a collective punishment on account of the actions of a proscribed terrorist organisation with which the vast majority of people want no part? Or something else?

Dulra · 22/02/2024 20:49

namechangefornow123 · 22/02/2024 20:47

@Scirocco because the marches have exhibited a lot of anti western, anti semitic and pro terrorist sentiment. It's quite eye opening how so many Muslim protestors view the country they live in. It's quite scary.

Funny how you don't see abuse at the pro Israel / bring the hostages back marches

You are seriously bordering on racism and hate speech and pretty shocking othering. No surprise you've name changed.

EasterIssland · 22/02/2024 20:49

namechangefornow123 · 22/02/2024 20:47

@Scirocco because the marches have exhibited a lot of anti western, anti semitic and pro terrorist sentiment. It's quite eye opening how so many Muslim protestors view the country they live in. It's quite scary.

Funny how you don't see abuse at the pro Israel / bring the hostages back marches

How many of those that were arrested were Muslim from these marches ? Please remember not only Muslims attend these marches. Not only Muslims are against what Israel is doing in Palestine

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dimllaishebiaith · 22/02/2024 20:49

Throwawayme · 22/02/2024 20:34

I'm not implying anything of the sort. I am Jewish. However, these marches are inflaming hatred. The people marching who think "Jew = bad", with their anti-Semitic banners and the people who feel the marches are pro Hamas. They're not helping anyone.

I wasn't sure you were which was why I asked, your post was unclear to me.

I personally think the marches are a handy thing to blame but potentially at least partially irrelevant

The mentality of the kinds of people who do these kind of hate acts is that they will use any excuse to justify it

Anti-muslim attacks also rose 14% during Covid. Any excuse.

I dont think a group of people should be limited from doing what they want (within the limits of the law) just because others might use it as a justification for crime. That like claiming women in short skirts are "asking for it"

NecessaryNC24 · 22/02/2024 20:49

Sorry to hear that Simonjt.

There was such a vibrant mixed community in North London in the 90s. Neighbours actually socialising with neighbours, all different backgrounds. I'm thinking now we were just very lucky.

stormy4319trevor · 22/02/2024 20:51

@Dulra Some desperate attempts here to close discussion down. Odd.

Dulra · 22/02/2024 20:54

stormy4319trevor · 22/02/2024 20:51

@Dulra Some desperate attempts here to close discussion down. Odd.

It is, but also extremely concerning that people cannot even attempt to hide their blatant hate for Muslims while at the same time criticise people for antisemitism. You either see everyone as equal or you don't and if you don't why do you expect others to?

OppsUpsSide · 22/02/2024 20:55

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  1. the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.
  2. "the committee acts as a forum for discussion"
  • a conversation or debate about a specific topic.
  • plural noun: discussions

maybe what you are actually seeking is

echo chamber

noun

  1. 1.
  2. an enclosed space where sound reverberates.
  3. "purpose-built echo chambers allow the addition of natural-sounding reverberation to the recordings"
  4. 2.
  5. an environment in which a person encountersonly beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforcedand alternative ideas are not considered.
  6. "people are living in partisan and ideological echo chambers"

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namechangefornow123 · 22/02/2024 20:55

@Dulra how so? There have been many reports of Hizb ut Tahrir supporters on these marches. It's not hate speech to say that's pretty scary, seeing British Muslims supporting extremism.

EasterIssland · 22/02/2024 20:56

Dulra · 22/02/2024 20:54

It is, but also extremely concerning that people cannot even attempt to hide their blatant hate for Muslims while at the same time criticise people for antisemitism. You either see everyone as equal or you don't and if you don't why do you expect others to?

I’ve reported my thread to ask mnhq not to close this thread like sometimes do if many comments are deleted. It’s funny how a thread about Muslim hate is actually receiving so much Muslim hate … it’s like … the news are real and many communities are seeing hate against them!

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NecessaryNC24 · 22/02/2024 20:57

OppsUpsSide · 22/02/2024 20:55

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more

discussion

noun

  1. the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.
  2. "the committee acts as a forum for discussion"
  • a conversation or debate about a specific topic.
  • plural noun: discussions

maybe what you are actually seeking is

echo chamber

noun

  1. 1.
  2. an enclosed space where sound reverberates.
  3. "purpose-built echo chambers allow the addition of natural-sounding reverberation to the recordings"
  4. 2.
  5. an environment in which a person encountersonly beliefs or opinions that coincide with their own, so that their existing views are reinforcedand alternative ideas are not considered.
  6. "people are living in partisan and ideological echo chambers"

🤣.

Scirocco · 22/02/2024 20:57

namechangefornow123 · 22/02/2024 20:47

@Scirocco because the marches have exhibited a lot of anti western, anti semitic and pro terrorist sentiment. It's quite eye opening how so many Muslim protestors view the country they live in. It's quite scary.

Funny how you don't see abuse at the pro Israel / bring the hostages back marches

Most of the people who are marching near me aren't saying anything anti-semitic or pro-terrorist at all. The few people who do have tended to be the far-right troublemakers out for a fight, or the 'Socialist Worker' fans. Neither of which are groups with particularly high representation of people I know to be Muslim.

Personally, I'm extremely disappointed with the direction this country has taken over the past 10-15 years. I feel it's much less tolerant, much further to the right politically and I feel deeply disappointed in the actions of recent UK and some other governments internationally and domestically.

namechangefornow123 · 22/02/2024 20:59

@Scirocco I meant it's no surprise because terrorism spikes negative feelings. I don't think that's acceptable - I meant it's a common correlation.

TakeMe2Insanity · 22/02/2024 21:01

FrownedUpon · 22/02/2024 19:29

It’s not really a surprise. The aggressive weekly protests don’t help. The hatred my Jewish neighbours are experiencing is vile.

Misses the point entirely.

Dulra · 22/02/2024 21:01

namechangefornow123 · 22/02/2024 20:55

@Dulra how so? There have been many reports of Hizb ut Tahrir supporters on these marches. It's not hate speech to say that's pretty scary, seeing British Muslims supporting extremism.

So because some British Muslims support extremists it's ok that anti -muslim hate has increased? Would you thinks it's ok to suggest then that because some British Jews support the IDF it's ok for the rise in antisemitism?

TakeMe2Insanity · 22/02/2024 21:02

EasterIssland · 22/02/2024 20:56

I’ve reported my thread to ask mnhq not to close this thread like sometimes do if many comments are deleted. It’s funny how a thread about Muslim hate is actually receiving so much Muslim hate … it’s like … the news are real and many communities are seeing hate against them!

Agree!

dimllaishebiaith · 22/02/2024 21:02

namechangefornow123 · 22/02/2024 20:55

@Dulra how so? There have been many reports of Hizb ut Tahrir supporters on these marches. It's not hate speech to say that's pretty scary, seeing British Muslims supporting extremism.

But when the EDL marches, and that is an extremist far right group that has tried to bomb mosques, no one uses it as a reason to excuse violence against young working class white men (the average member of the EDL) or as justification for violence against young working class white man

If the EDL marches and then a few miles away a man who looks like they could be an EDL member is stabbed no one goes "Oh well after the state of the EDL protests Im not suprised" as if thats justification for it

User135644 · 22/02/2024 21:04

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We're led to believe the UK parliament are terrified of violent Muslim reprisals (over a conflict which has nothing to do with us anyway) which is a concern.

Religious extremists are dangerous even if it's a minority.