Standing up for Israel

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So, they have got to MN now too.
I just managed to read the previous post before it got deleted for being inflammatory. Not to me it wasn't but then I don't support terrorists.
Many, many people do stand for Israel and not for Hamas (and by definition their supporters; you know who you are).

What kind of comment makes you ban a poster? Someone who is Pro-Israel, Pro-Christian or what?

Not sure what you mean. Who bans who?

Just asking because someone said that people who started similar topics before were banned. Why were they banned?

That’s a question for mnhq
there are many posters that are pro Israel that haven’t been banned. And very much doubt mnhq would discriminate against those supporting a religion

MNHQ have talk guidelines and moderate accordingly. People who repeatedly and deliberately break the guidelines/rules may risk being banned. The guidelines are available on-site if you want to lok into it more.

Link to Talk guidelines can be found at the very bottom of each page - incl this one

It happens all the time on this topic usually along the lines of "I don't understand policy/ history etc but could someone please explain why [insert something shocking like IDF killing children or Hama killing children etc.

They then comment one or twice to stir the pot then once things get heated they disappear.

Their posts are not innocent or intended to be informed but to simply create further polarisation and anger between the two "camps".

What are people going to achieve with what, with war , murder, torture? - nothing of eternal value. We all know that eternal justice exist for this very matter . How much hate will help hate - it won't

@MamaAlwaysknowsbest I'm curious, what did you mean by Christians support Israel?

Oh please… as if it’s not enough to stereotype Muslims and Jews … you’ve got to start on the Christians now …

Scirocco · Today 21:47

@MamaAlwaysknowsbest I'm curious, what did you mean by Christians support Israel?

You can visit a UK website, called Christians for Israel and see for yourself

I’m a Christian ( Catholic) .. there are lots of weird Christians and Catholics around ( I’m sorry about that) . Please don’t imagine we are all the same.

So a website represents all Christians around the world ? 🤔

There are all sorts of Christians, @MamaAlwaysknowsbest ! I'm one myself. I support the rights of children and human rights, not pro any side. It seems clear to me that nobody should have to go through what Palestinians have endured. Christ made it clear that harming children is a grievous sin, but I don't think you need to be a Christian to know that. I expect there are some evangelical groups or other who have their own reasons for being pro-Israel, as you put it. But they are not the whole of Christianity.

I still don't understand why that means you were annoyed about the churches but not any other buildings?

And I suppose I'm curious about the dead people too. What are you saying Christians think about them? Is that something that's considered ok?

@Limeandsodaontherocks Haha, yes, me too!

Yes - fair enough. But I’m here to speak up for the Israelis who feel threatened on all sides ( whereas I think you are speaking up for Palestinians who are suffering terribly)
I respect your view and understand it. I hope some people on here will start to see that Israelis also have a legitimate reason to feel afraid.

@Limeandsodaontherocks Well, peace to all is my hope. Probably it's everybody's hope/ I am very sad at what has happened to Israel. I know how hard they worked to build the country, the dream of a refuge after WW2, the love they have for Israel. I imagine they are terrified of an attack from any quarter, and that they can't accept neighbours like Hamas after Oct 7th. I simply can not accept the suffering of Palestinians on this terrible scale as any kind of solution to all these issues, however.

Well I guess there are Christians that support Israel and Christians that don't.

And of course there are differences in attitudes between Christians and Muslims. For example 31% of Christians do not believe that leaving the Christian faith should be punishable by death.

🙄

Not very Christian of the other 69%, really.

Sorry but I think your message is ambiguous.

To clarify - I believe you mean 31% of Muslims think that leaving the faith (Islam) should be punishable by death as 'Apostasy'.

As of 2021, there were ten Muslim-majority countries where apostasy from Islam was punishable by death but legal executions are rare. Most punishment is extra-judicial/vigilante, and most executions are perpetrated by jihadist and "takfiri" insurgents (al-Qaeda, the Islamic State, the GIA, and the Taliban).

Another thirteen countries have penal or civil penalties for apostates – such as imprisonment, the annulment of their marriages, the loss of their rights of inheritance and the loss of custody of their children.

From Wikipedia.

There is, of course, no earthly punishment for Apostasy in Christianity.

I've never understood how this works. Surely the land was originally occupied by the Jewish people who were then driven out to live a nomadic life that resulted in centuries of persecution? Isn't that the point of Israel, to offer a homeland to the returning people?

Isn't that the reason or why would Jewish people settle in a place surrounded by Muslims who hate them and want them eradicated?

@Ladyjanegreysketle

"Sorry but I think your message is ambiguous.

To clarify - I believe you mean 31% of Muslims think that leaving the faith (Islam) should be punishable by death as 'Apostasy'."

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Apologies as I can see how it is was worded somewhat confusingly.

What I was trying to reference is that there are indeed differences in attitudes towards religion rather than differences in actual law or implementation.

In the example of apostasy, it is the case that in different countries varying numbers of Muslims believe that apostasy from the faith should be punishable by death. Of course whether that happens in practice or is legal is another matter.

For example in a July 2007 poll by the Policy Exchangee* think-tank revealed that 31% of British Muslims believed that leaving the Muslim religion should be punishable by death. Whereas in say Afghanistan it is more like 90% but in Kazakhstan it is only 5%.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ApostasyinnIslambyycountry

So it was more a point on differing attitudes to religion itself and by comparison there is no such crime of apostasy in say Christianity or Hinduism.