Standing up for Israel

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So, they have got to MN now too.
I just managed to read the previous post before it got deleted for being inflammatory. Not to me it wasn't but then I don't support terrorists.
Many, many people do stand for Israel and not for Hamas (and by definition their supporters; you know who you are).

What I’ve posted are my views based on both lived experience and facts on the ground. You can casually dismiss them if you want as just ‘anti Israel’ but, ultimately, anyone reading this thread can go away and do their own research around my statements, yours, and those of other posters. I don’t need to insult the intelligence of anyone reading this thread by presuming to tell them what should or shouldn’t be taken with a grain (or bucket) of salt. People are free to read divergent views, investigate for themselves, and form their own opinions.

All I meant by that was that I knew when I shared the link that not everyone in this group has identical viewpoints on issues, which is why I specified that the Na'amod link was for anybody "who was interested". But I got a backlash anyway, and a number of comments that seemed to imply that this thread represents a single voice/opinion.

@LilaDidIt I meant "two
Jews, three opinions". What do you mean by that?

It's a well-known saying within the Jewish community that another poster had referred to on the thread. I understand it generally to mean that there are multiple opinions among us. I don't know for certain though - I'm sure there's disagreement about it. 😄

It appears that the Israeli government does not like dissent.
Police fire water cannon to disperse anti-government protesters in Tel Aviv | Watch (msn.com)

I’m a middle aged mum on an UK parenting website.
@Desertrose2023

So not in Israel.
Not an Israeli.
Not there at the moment.
And yet prepared to write as if you are.
Don't speak for people.
It's all ' what I can gather' 'what I can see'
You are demonising Israelis because of your own considerable and well aired bias.
I am dismissing your views.

Throws salt around liberally....

@Auvergne63 there are at least two protests a week in tel Aviv and where before 7/10.
This is not unusual.
Another Israel expert though...

It's genuinely quite funny that you seem to think this is some kind of "gotcha!" moment. There have been weekly protests about the government in Israel since they were elected, and even more since October 7th. But one protest ends with a water cannon and that's the only one you mention. To parrot back words that we've consistently seen on here with regards to various topics "it's only a tiny percentage" so I guess it's acceptable? Or do percentages only count when it comes to terrorists working for the UN or civilians supporting terrorists?

I'm my opinion, the police did the wrong thing on Saturday. They shouldn't have used force or any kind of violence. I'm assuming something out of the ordinary happened for them to take those measures as they're not the norm, but that is pure conjecture on my part at this point as I haven't read enough about it.

@stomachamelon are you an Israeli expert out of curiousity. Genuine question - are you in Israel?

Once again, you assume that I didn't know about the other protests. I did. I also think it is revealing that the government of Israel decides to use water canons against anti war and pro ceasefire demonstrators. I thought Israel was a democracy.
I am not an expert, never pretended I was. You seem to like labelling people though...

@Auvergne63 course you did that's why you made a big point of coming on here.... on a thread called standing up for Israel.... to school us on what's Happening in Israel.

And that it's a democracy.
And uses water cannons.

Have you mentioned 'most moral army yet'?

Another one who likes to make assumptions! I knew about the other protests but I mentioned this one because of the use of the water canon, which shocked me.
To parrot back words that we've consistently seen on here with regards to various topics "it's only a tiny percentage" so I guess it's acceptable? Or do percentages only count when it comes to terrorists working for the UN or civilians supporting terrorists?
Did I mentioned percentage? Please provide facts supporting your allegation regarding the UN.
that is pure conjecture on my part at this point as I haven't read enough about it.
I tend to check the facts before I express my opinions.

Sorry I wasn't aware that you were in charge of who can or cannot post on this thread, especially when you comment yourself on threads which are not aligned to your own point of views. I call this double standard and, once again, ironic.
My questioning of Israel being a democracy has nothing to do with the use of water cannon but to do with not allowing freedom of speech to Israeli who disagree with the government.
Have you mentioned 'most moral army yet'?
You do know that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit?

I personally find posting one article about one incident where water cannons were used and then claiming that as a result Israel isn't a democracy "intellectually weak". Specially when you claim to be aware that it doesn't happen regularly despite incredibly frequent and regular protests.

The argument that you have to have lived in a place to be entitled to an opinion on policies there is asinine and ridiculous. By that argument, I should not be able speak about the Holocaust because I was not alive when it took place. I shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on apartheid in South Africa if I never lived there.

He has never had links to Marxism/Communism & he has been democratically elected plus unlike Bolsonaro, is at least making some efforts to save the Rainforest.

Are you in Brazil? or do you just comment randomly on Brazil without a clue what you're talking about?

opinions are like arseholes....informed opinions are a little more rare.

@Auvergne63

You will not get an answer, which in itself tells you everything you need to know.
I also find the argument that you need to be somewhere to understand what is happening intellectually weak.

I know. It's a bit rude.

I just dmed you. Sorry for delay.

But repressing the voice of dissent is not democratic. Freedom of speech is a corner stone of a democracy as well as freedom of the press. The Israeli government has banned the latter in Gaza.
Specially when you claim to be aware that it doesn't happen regularly despite incredibly frequent and regular protests.
Sorry I don't understand this.

Indeed. Say no more.

Israel is a democracy. There is freedom of speech. There is freedom of press. Stop trying to claim that Israel isn't a democracy, it's incredibly weird and entirely baseless.

With regards to the second part, you said you are aware that protests against the government happen frequently and regularly and have been doing so for quite some time, yet you still claimed Israel isn't a democracy because they once used water cannons. So you know it's a democracy and that there is freedom of speech. Yet you claim otherwise.

They've been using water cannons in Brussels. Is Belgium not a democracy?

Northern Ireland have also used them, and obviously we wasted a bunch of money here buying them too with presumably the intent of using them, but I couldn't be bothered getting into it with them 🙈 It's a waste of time.