Standing up for Israel

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So, they have got to MN now too.
I just managed to read the previous post before it got deleted for being inflammatory. Not to me it wasn't but then I don't support terrorists.
Many, many people do stand for Israel and not for Hamas (and by definition their supporters; you know who you are).

He did not say Palestines are "Jew haters".

DP: Israel has been attacked since the day it was established by the free world after the holocaust. It was attacked by its neighbours.

BJG: That's like saying that American settlers were attacked by native Americans because they were white.

The implication being that when Israel was attacked as soon as it was founded it had nothing to do with it being a Jewish state, it was purely self defense and attacking them was justified.

In any case, she's still a rape denialist who is against the existance of Israel.

What comment are you referring to? I can't see the poster/comment either

I can't see the comment you're referring to, but I agree with you that what you've described - the events of 7/10 - was absolutely not resistance. It wasn't even 'armed resistance'. It was terrorism. The people responsible (both the people who participated and the people who actively or passively planned or allowed it to happen) need to be brought to justice. The deceased, the injured and their families deserve justice and answers.

He said "Israel has been attacked, BECAUSE it's a Jewish state, for decades". That is the comment she was responding to @DreamVortex .

I quoted the video exactly since you accused me of paraphrasing. He said that Israel has been attacked by it's neighbours. Which it has. To which the rape denialists compared Jewish people to colonisers attacking native Americans.

@DreamVortex I quoted directly too. He said "Israel has been attacked, BECAUSE it's a Jewish state, for decades" just before the part you quoted. And that is what she was referring to in her response. If you don't believe me, you can check.
They did not discuss rape at all.

Yes, and he's right. Israel has been attacked because it's a Jewish state.

And Briahna Joy Gray has put out multiple tweets denying that rape happened on 7/10.

That's not why Israel was attacked but I understand that those who deny the occupation tell themselves that.

Can you post a link to those tweets please?

@DreamVortex
On the topic of Israel being attacked because it was Jewish, you may find this essay from 1923 by Zionist leader and orator Vladimir Jabotinsky of interest. It's a bit long winded, but here is an excerpt:

"Any native people – its all the same whether they are civilized or savage – views their country as their national home, of which they will always be the complete masters [...] Compromisers in our midst attempt to convince us that the Arabs are some kind of fools who can be tricked by a softened formulation of our goals, or a tribe of money grubbers who will abandon their birth right to Palestine for cultural and economic gains. I flatly reject this assessment of the Palestinian Arabs [...]They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie. To think that the Arabs will voluntarily consent to the realization of Zionism in return for the cultural and economic benefits we can bestow on them is infantile[...]Every indigenous people will resist alien settlers as long as they see any hope of ridding themselves of the danger of foreign settlement."

Do you have a point? Any opinions of your own?

Why should it matter what I think, @DreamVortex ? I am learning all the time, just like anyone else. Just thought the essay was relevant to what you said because he never mentioned that Israel would be attacked because it was Jewish. And he, a Zionist leader, made the same analogy back in 1923 as the woman from the previous video who you have written off.

Because it's a discussion forum where it's customary to give your own opinion and not that of people from 100 years ago or random youtube personalities.

I would have liked to respond but seeing as you've accused me of being a rape denier I can't engage with you any more.

So you don't agree with her? That's good news.

Um ok. I joined this forum because I thought it would be a good place to share links and learn from each other.
And the essay I shared wasn't from some random person from 100 years ago. He was a key Zionist leader, so I think his word counts for something.

I've certainly learned a lot.

Has anyone seen this report from the UN? Just thought I'd share since the topic of sexual violence against women has previously been raised on the thread.

Yes - awful and disgusting. Sadly there's no outrage over it because they're Palestinians. And no Pro Israeli posters have commented on it either.

I shared a journal.ie news article on it earlier. As anotherlevel said it was largely ignored. I think it's hard to admit the soldiers you are supporting are behaving more and more like the terrorists you rightly hate

Ridiculous. People quote others’ views all the time. After 7/10 this board was full of people falling over themselves to copy and agree with that Golda Meir quote about Arabs and their babies.

Yes. Their silence says it all.

The hypocrisy is glaring, isn't it? Pro-Israeli people are outraged by what happened to Israeli women, but when Palestinian women are raped by Israelis, they're don't care. It shows how dehumanised Palestinians are and how little they matter.

www.newsweek.com/establish-palestinian-state-now-after-october-7-would-strategic-moral-failure-opinion-1871659

Newsweek piece.

@LilaDidIt I don't know why you would share it on this thread rather than the numerous others condemning the IDF or those discussing sexual violence.

Somewhat goady?