Standing up for Israel

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So, they have got to MN now too.
I just managed to read the previous post before it got deleted for being inflammatory. Not to me it wasn't but then I don't support terrorists.
Many, many people do stand for Israel and not for Hamas (and by definition their supporters; you know who you are).

If by peace you mean ceasefire that's fabulous news. The more people we have on board in favour of that endeavour the better for sure.

Edit: nevermind I just read your denials of what Israel is doing on another thread.

@EllaDisenchanted yes it does 😊

This was on someone I knows page but might be helpful.

Courage calls to courage .

So what's she saying, that there shouldn't be a Jewish state because racism exists in the US?

No that's not what she's saying at all. Feel free to watch it and find out (or not).

I did. Seems to be her lecturing a jewish man about anti-Semitism, and how israel shouldn't exist and how Jewish people are just like the Europeans who killed Native Americans.

It's a conversation (not a lecture) about how best to ensure the rights of minority groups.

This is a genuine question, and I genuinely would appreciate an answer:

What does "peace" mean to you?

Asking because you are obviously sort of from the "other" side opposite me and, in around two decades, I have heard all sorts of ideas of what "peace" would look like, ranging from "Arabs out" to "Jews out" - and all sorts of more or less workable ideas along the spectrum.

But I do not typically get to discuss the details with people who are not "my people" (and, needless to say, they tend to broadly agree with me - but they also tend to have similar biases).

Which involves getting rid of the state of Israel, apparently.

@DreamVortex huh?

@LilaDidIt did you not watch it?

The women in the video you posted without comment or context does not believe that there should be a Jewish state.

Your interpretation maybe. She asked him why he opposed a one-state solution.

She believes that Israel being attacked is the same as Native Americans defending themselves against European colonistsand that there should not be a Jewish state because Jewish people are perfectly safe in America. She also likes to spend her free time tweeting that no rapes happened on 7/10 and that Hamas took really good care of the hostages. But you go ahead in spin that in whataver way makes you fell better about yourself.

Some of the comments on that video are completely sick by the way.

@DreamVortex she sounds delightful. Do you think that's ok @LilaDidIt?

Hello Heidi
The comment you're quoting was borne of frustration.
In the UK, I can see prejudice and division turning into violence and intimidation. The marches exacerbate a divide. I think most sane people on both 'sides' want the war to end. Hind could be my child just as much as Kfir.

I have read your posts about your connections in the middle east. Your perspective is a part of the picture and I appreciate the information you've provided.

I appreciate your admission of - direct quote - "borne of frustration". I only feel that "every 50 seconds or so" myself!

Look, honestly, I may have quite literally thrown plates against a wall in a rage and broken them on several occasions during the last few months. [I actually did do this - I am just not the type to hurt actual people, but: who cares about mere crockery?!]

So, anyway, how do we "peace"? I realise it is a god-awful question - because any even conceivably realistic response includes "and now: everyone is angry and unhappy"!

All I can say is to create bridges, trust, connections, understanding...everything a terror groups hates. So much trust was destroyed on 7/10, people who wanted 'peace', who worked for 'peace'. People they thought were friends and neighbours betrayed them. Back to square one.
There were the beginnings of a solution in the 90's then hamas emerged, Rabin was assassinated by an israeli hardliner, hamas suicide bombers targeted buses and hey presto netanyahu was elected.
We are so far away and so safe in the UK (though with antisemitism on the rise - not all of us), most of us have no idea thank god, and that's part of the problem.

@DreamVortex He was making the claim that Palestinians are Jew-haters, and she responded by saying that's like saying that Native Americans are white-people haters. Not the same thing as what you paraphrased.

The only way peace will come is if people realise that this conflict is fed by religion, and start forcing religious leaders to openly accept a peaceful solution. People talk about land being the issue, the reason why that particular land was chosen to be Israel is because of religion. Muslims on the other hand also believe that land belongs to them. Both sides are energised by support from followers of the respective religions around the worlds, in the form of financial aid and business. Political solutions have failed because the political leaders do no have sufficient power to hold sway against religious leaders. The religious leaders need to be forced to publicly come to an agreement to a two state solution and that is the only way this will be resolved.

It is easy to blame religion, historically religion and culture have gone hand in hand.
Many Jewish people will tell you that it is their heritage rather than their practice that makes them Jewish. Hitler didn't care how orthodox they were.
Historically religious leaders exercised great control over people, mostly now we exercise control over ourselves.
In much of the world religion tends to build communities and support, but sometimes the gaps between these communities create separation and distrust and we take sides.
The power structures in the middle east are strongly faith based, but not entirely.

@TinyYellow disgusting comment and you think If you feel so strongly about it you could spell Israel correctly.

Rape and murder of civilians, the wiping out of whole families, butchering peace activists is not resistance.

It absolutely is terrorism.

What comment are you referring to? I can't see the message.