Standing up for Israel

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So, they have got to MN now too.
I just managed to read the previous post before it got deleted for being inflammatory. Not to me it wasn't but then I don't support terrorists.
Many, many people do stand for Israel and not for Hamas (and by definition their supporters; you know who you are).

It would be good to see more cross community initiatives, trust takes so long to build but so little to destroy it. As you said before, we mustn't do the extremists work for them.

My apologies for earlier offence, my heart is with all the innocents suffering in this situation, it is an emotive time.

You don't need to wonder who supports Israel on a Western European Judeo-Christian ( in cultural sense ) website. This answer is pretty obvious unless one wants arguments which I am not engaging in

And then you have to two countries names Israel: the one which is today's Israel and the one who is the Biblical nation called the Chosen of God. I am sure some people cannot make even the difference between the two, nor have the intricacies detailed to start a solid discussion about it

Special ops? Using some actual intelligence to target specific individuals rather than mass murder?

Like we did in Ireland.

I'm not looking for an argument, I am curious though... What makes you say this is a Judeo-Christian website? And what's obvious about supporting or otherwise a particular power in this conflict?

@quantumbutterfly no worries, I understand. I've sent you a PM. 👍

@kirinm I think that has and will still happen. Specific people being targeted.

@Scirocco I don't really understand that post either.

You are aware that these terrorists organisations have been around for decades and have yet to coordinate an attack on Israel but, with what is happening to the Palestinians now, the likelihood of one has increased.
Anyway, I thought the goal in destroying Hamas was to secure Israel's security. I am afraid to say that it will have the opposite effect. Violence begets violence.
If you and others can't see this, well what can I say?

In Ireland they weren't hiding in 3 miles of tunnels underground and the leaders weren't sunning themselves in the Middle East.

@Auvergne63 they did coordinate an attack on Israel. Is Israel just to hope it doesn't happen again? Historically countries have tried and Israel has put them back in their box.
Terrorism has to be dealt with.

what is happening now will feed terrorists, and breed them in their 1000s.

Emotive nonsense.

Did we stop bombing Germany in case we created more Nazis?

Did USA stop (conventionally) bombing Japan in case it encouraged more Kamikazi pilots?

No I didn't think so.

It's neither emotive nor nonsense.

OK, whatever you say 🙄

Well, there isn't any emotive language there, and I think it's fairly obvious how the destruction of an entire area could breed resentment amongst those in the line of fire.

If only it were the Palestinian and Israeli mothers who held the power to negotiate …
There would be anger, fear, misunderstandings , accusations… but I’m sure they would never let their children suffer and collectively they would find a way through.
It’s always power hungry narcissistic men that are the problem- on both sides.

It's really not the same thing at all. Israel are occupiers. So long as they keep occupying and killing and controlling there will be friction. Pre 7/10 Israel conducted the deadliest year yet for children in the Westbank, they killed more than 1 child a week. Israel pumped more money into building illegal settlements, they imprison, torture and abuse Palestinians often times with no trial. After this Israel won't piss off and leave Palestinians alone, they will continue with the abuse and the killing and pretend that Palestinians are just angry for no reason at all, that perhaps they were just born that way, who knows but it nothing to do with Israel because they like gays don't you know.

@Scirocco

"It's what happened next that's where I believe some people may have gone from seeking justice against Hamas to seeking vengeance against Palestinians. There were alternatives to how this unfolded. There still are alternatives."

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A great summary and finally a balanced posts that seeks to understand the situation from both sides rather than an emotive buzz word strewn tirade.

I would also add that it also important for Palestinian to see an alternative path to hate and terrorism by making the West Bank a stable and economic success.

@1dayatatime
"I would also add that it also important for Palestinian to see an alternative path to hate and terrorism by making the West Bank a stable and economic success."

Ah yes. If only the Palestinians would stop hating the people throwing them out of their homes and building settlements on their land.

I could make comparisons too with Nazi Germany...
Before I get jumped on, my great aunt was a French resistant who was arrested by the gestapo, tortured and sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau. She survived and went on to work for the UN, you know the antisemitic organisation.

Can you give me an example where the end of colonial rule was not proceeded by horrendous death of the indigenous population? Honest question- because I can’t think of one. Resistance to occupation is what drove the colonisers out. It was highly effective.
You can’t subdue anger with more violence- Israel will have to negotiate. From what I’ve read/ the attacks by Hezbollah have vastly increased after bombardment of Gaza. It’s all linked.

Why was my post deleted?